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Silvestre had won the lot with us, granted it was mostly as a squad player but I remember he was decent with Rio and Wes at the back for periods. Unlike Maguire he had plenty of pace too.
Yes, he has been, but so has almost everyone else. I'm not making excuses for him, though. My problem is people rewriting history saying that he's always been atrocious which is so far from reality that it's laughable. When van Dijk was out injured for a long time there weren't many defenders in the Premier League that were better than him, if any. Yeah, I don't care how ridiculous that sounds to you in April 2022 but my opinion is not formed by 15 year old twats sharing their brain damaged takes on Twitter.
If he holds they've got a four on three. Maybe not as bad but still very bad.
I agree that he wasn't bad in the past, but it has to be said that if you can be incredibly bad for an entire season, it's a really worrying sign. Doubly so for a captain. There will always be that shadow of doubt over him now. The gigantic blunders he has made on the pitch all season show that he has those mistakes in him, and I'm not just talking about wonky runs in the wrong direction--I'm talking own goals, tackling teammates, stuff like that. He has been downright harmful to his own team all season, and while nobody thinks he's doing it on purpose, he has shown that he's capable not only of poor performances but also total calamity. That's really hard to bounce back from as captain. People will always be wondering if something like that will start happening again, even if he should recover his form again in the future. Plenty of players have turned things around after a bad season, but this has been so inexplicably horrendous that it'll follow him for quite a while.He was good in his first season here, then very-very good in his 2nd and the EUROs...when you're a constant scapegoat even 1 bad game is enough for people to come at you, let alone a whole bad season. People are just so pathetic. The noise will die down after we get going under ten Hag and everyone is performing well, including Maguire. That will last until he makes 1 single mistake resulting in a goal when everyone will again act like he's been bad all these years.
I thought this was a wind up but it's there pinned on his Twitter page.
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It's unreal. He's such a fecking joker.
"We understand that the performances have not been good enough most of the season, and I especially take responsibility for my own form that have not been up to the level I expect of myself" "We are beyond grateful to the matchgoing fans who support us through the many lows and wow to do everything we can to get back to where we need to be"
He hasn't got the anticipation or the pace to get to that ball in midfield before it gets bounced back and goes around him. It happens way too often.
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David Luiz was a clown but he always had great matches and moments in him. Maguire is a clown and that's it.
David Luiz was also a terrible defender, but if I remember correctly he had better pace and much better technical ability. Also, he would sometimes smash in a free-kick.
I’d probably take Luiz at this point. He pips it off of just pure athleticism.
If he was a captain of a ship, the passengers would probably have abandoned the ship already.
But it is of Maguire's own making to be in that impossible situation. He is not supposed to go in there. That is not his business to get sucked into that space in the middle. We were not supposed to play that line. The plan was to sit deep and let them have the ball in the middle. So he should never gone into that space.
You’re both right, but it also speaks to the wider issue of there being no plan. Neither Maguire or the midfield knew what to do in that situation. It’s a total shitshow.
It was Rashford. He called him a knobhead. Maguire should have decked him with one punch.
No he is not. But the plan was to sit deep as Ralf had said in his post match and Maguire has no business going in there. Yes the midfield was terrible too but we are talking almost at the half way line and what on earth was he doing there? I agree with you that he is a better defender than what he is showing now but as captain he should be the one leading the way and not making mistake after mistake.
David Luiz was much better than Maguire. Yes they both had several clown moments, but Luiz actually had many spectacular games.
Mate you need your eyes checkedHe was good in his first season here, then very-very good in his 2nd and the EUROs...when you're a constant scapegoat even 1 bad game is enough for people to come at you, let alone a whole bad season. People are just so pathetic. The noise will die down after we get going under ten Hag and everyone is performing well, including Maguire. That will last until he makes 1 single mistake resulting in a goal when everyone will again act like he's been bad all these years.
Yeah Luiz had way more to his game, he was just a lunatic and not great positionally. I'd compare Luiz more to Eric Bailly if Bailly could actually stay fit for more than a game. Athletic, hard nosed defenders with bags of confidence that at their best could be brilliant but at their worst could completely look like amateurs positionally.
That's where I find myself tbh. Luiz had many notable clown moments, and when he had a bad game it was usually a disasterclass type of performance. Alternatively, it was his sound technical footballing ability coupled with his exuberance and reckless abandon that made his excellent games just as notable.
I do feel bad for him but that has to be one of the stupidest comments made by a United for as long as I can remember. Does he not realise how awful he and the team have been and how low the fans think of them?
To be fair I compared him to the really bad parts of David Luiz... He's basically the Luiz that played for Brazil in that 7-1 hammering by Germany... But all the bloody time.
Found it, yeah he should have knocked it out of him there and then.
The strange thing about Silvestre is that he was actually brilliant at centre back for the first half of 02/03. If I remember correctly I'm pretty sure most people here on RedCafe thought that he'd been our player of the season so far and probably second only to Henry in the league. I still remember one moment against Newcastle (I think?) where they somehow got a 3v1 against him with an entire half to play and he somehow managed to take them all out one by one. It's always remained one of my favourite ever defensive memories and I wish we had all the youtube highights that we have now so I could watch it again.
He was inconsistent in his first season. Some very good, some good, some average, some bad, some very bad. An absolutely textbook example of inconsistency.He was good in his first season here, then very-very good in his 2nd and the EUROs...when you're a constant scapegoat even 1 bad game is enough for people to come at you, let alone a whole bad season. People are just so pathetic. The noise will die down after we get going under ten Hag and everyone is performing well, including Maguire. That will last until he makes 1 single mistake resulting in a goal when everyone will again act like he's been bad all these years.
I'm tempted to say Maguire's second half of last season was better than Luiz ever played in a two man central defence, but that might just be because I didn't watch Luiz play enough. My impression is that he was generally great with three at the back, but was always shaky in a normal back four. Would you agree?
I can see where people just recycle what they hear from youtube
