[Class of 63]

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People who don't actually have stats to backup their claims usually come up crap like "xyz years at club", "abc managers play him". Being best among the worst doesn't really help. Don't remember seeing him playing under Fergie. LvG used to play Blackett, TFM and other youngsters who didn't make it. Mourinho literally had to play him because of poor selection available.

Stats are for anoraks, facht

It's been explained to death why SAF didn't pick Lingard.

Yes LvG did give a lot of players debuts, not sure what that has to do with Lingard being picked by three(1, 2, 3) different Managers.

Mourinho had to play him did he - i've heard it all now

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Stats are for anoraks, facht

It's been explained to death why SAF didn't pick Lingard.

Yes LvG did give a lot of players debuts, not sure what that has to do with Lingard being picked by three(1, 2, 3) different Managers.

Mourinho had to play him did he - i've heard it all now

Goals and assists are overrated anyways.

Atleast try to come up with reasoning. Who were the players available during Jose's time that played in Jlingz's position?

Rooney? Mata?

 

[Class of 63]

Because he's good at fooling people, duh.

Can you put a responsible adult on i'd like a word.

 

[Class of 63]

From the moment SAF retired, the only player we signed for the #10 position was Juan Mata. Kagawa was signed by SAF but was mostly played in the #10 role by Moyes. Or that position was usually occupied by Rooney.

We kept messing up the squad with so many poor signings that the #10 became least of our priorities. Mata lost his legs and whatever physicality he had. By the laws of poor competition, Lingard kept surviving.

We are finally looking good with the defence. Still a lot of work needs to be done with midfield but we are rightfully looking for #10s and hopefully that will mark the permanent benching of Jlingz.

Oh well if that's what it was then

ps. Jesse isn't and never has been a no.10, that just ain't his game.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Forget the 8, apologies for bringing it up....

Jesse has been likened to Andreas Iniesta and Jean Tigana in style, neither had defensive acumen, or some physical presence.

It can work in certain teams like Barcelona or City where you monopolize possession due to being incredible on the ball. That's the common thread between the likes of Iniesta and Silva. Lingard is a lot like these players apart from, you know, the low centre of gravity, the weight of pass, the brilliant fist touch, excellent close control, ability to beat defenders - basically everything that made them special.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Oh well if that's what it was then

ps. Jesse isn't and never has been a no.10, that just ain't his game.

His game is being a coward on the pitch. A false no.10 that does nothing.

 

[redcafe_reader]

Can you put a responsible adult on i'd like a word.

When you ran out of word to defend Lingard and have to resort to "witty" onliner

Also given how you have been watching us for 5-6 years max, I am not sure if "responsible adult" is something you can use...

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Go on them, why has he lasted so long at one of, if not the biggest club on the planet if he's only average?

Clearly it's because we've been an average team during this period. Marcos Rojo and Darmian lasted around 5 years. Phil Jones has been here for nearly a decade. Ashely Young has been here for nearly a decade. Being part of a 4th to 7th placed team, even if it's a huge club, doesn't mean you're an excellent footballer.

 

[manunited1919]

Well of course a team will play better with XI men contributing

Playing with 10 men is actually better than playing with an XI men that includes Lingard, as almost every time the ball goes to him leads nowhere with a wasted opportunity.

 

[clarkydaz]

His game is being a coward on the pitch. A false no.10 that does nothing.

maybe its the new silent domination

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

He weirdly seems to think he’s a lot better than he is.

What infuriates me is that he treats it all as a joke. I dont think he realizes how lucky he is in life.

This is the kicker for me, it's not the fact he is beyond crap, it's the fact he doesn't seem to realise it. He should be on his knees every day thanking God. It's like Tom cleverly and his delusions that if he played in Spain he'd be recognised as o d of the greats

 

[manunited1919]

Can you put a responsible adult on i'd like a word.

Go back to your sugar puffs, they are getting soggy.

 

[Class of 63]

Been awake for 27 hours and seriously in need of some beauty sleep so i'll just leave this and ask did David Moyes actually know what he was doing when he binned off SAF's backroom staff?

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...se-lingard-manchester-united-iniesta-15761718

 

[redcafe_reader]

Been awake for 27 hours and seriously in need of some beauty sleep so i'll just leave this and ask did David Moyes actually know what he was doing when he binned off SAF's backroom staff?

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...se-lingard-manchester-united-iniesta-15761718

Consider this:

Moyes, a mediocre manager, didn't use Lingard. Get sacked. Still able to find not one but two jobs at La Liga and EPL after that.
LVG, great manager. Use Lingard. Get sacked and have to retire for good.
Mourinho, one of the greatest managers of all time. Use Lingard. Get sacked and struggle to find a job.

Moyes did know what he was doing.

 

[kouroux]

English Iniesta

 

[UpWithRivers]

Lindgard is the poster boy for the Im British and run around a lot fan club. No goals or assists for nearly a year and he is still being backed as a excellent player. If the devils greatest trick was to make you believe he never existed then the red devils greatest trick was to make everyone believe Lingard is a 21 year old Messie for eternity.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

English Iniesta

Up there with "We don't need Messi, we have Lingard" quote

 

[kouroux]

Up there with "We don't need Messi, we have Lingard" quote

I'd expect this kinda nonsense from deluded fans not from a former manager but it really shows you that the level of analysis of people directly involved in pro football needs to taken with a pinch of salt

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Notice how well we played at the weekend without him in the side. Connect the dots.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

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Stats are for anoraks, facht

It's been explained to death why SAF didn't pick Lingard.

Yes LvG did give a lot of players debuts, not sure what that has to do with Lingard being picked by three(1, 2, 3) different Managers.

Mourinho had to play him did he - i've heard it all now

If you still rate Lingard, just stop watching football as you are obviously clueless.

 

[Kostov]

Go on them, why has he lasted so long at one of, if not the biggest club on the planet if he's only average?

For the same reason Ashley fecking Young is captain and plays regularly for Manchester United, for the same reason Phil Jones got a new contract, for the same reason Marcos Rojo is still here, for the same reason Fred was bought for 52m pounds. Or in short because we are run by absolute incompetent morons.

 

[Handré1990]

Goals and assists are overrated anyways.

Atleast try to come up with reasoning. Who were the players available during Jose's time that played in Jlingz's position?

Rooney? Mata?

This is the end of the discussion, really. An attacking player who hasn’t scored in a year, and assisted in 10 months or something like that isn’t much of an attacking player at all.

 

[KennyBurner]

He needs to learn how to take a touch and release the ball quickly instead of always running with it. Ive noticed most of the time we try to move the ball quickly as possible but we end of having to pass it back because players like lingard take way too many touches once they're in possession. It gives the opposition time to recover.

These past 2 months have shown most lingard supporters that he isnt up to standard especially given how weak our team is. He really cant cut it when given an important role like creating chances. Im glad Ole has opted for more technical players like pereira who has been steadily improving. Hopefully we keep on winning games while limiting lingards appearances to just 5 minute substitutions.

 

[Class of 63]

Notice how well we played at the weekend without him in the side. Connect the dots.

You could copy'n'paste that into the Pogba, Matic and Shaw performance threads.

 

[Class of 63]

If you still rate Lingard, just stop watching football as you are obviously clueless.

Not clueless just less eager to give up on a promising youngster than most are.

 

[Cassidy]

Not clueless just less eager to give up on a promising youngster than most are.

Surely trolling

 

[Mr. Ant]

He would have a hard time in the championship right now. Didn't do anything against Partizan and in PL he's useless.

 

[TrustInOle]

If he continues this form for the rest of the season, could well be seeing the end of him here, cause looks like the coaching staff arnt having it anymore. Chances of someone wanting him, on his wages, would be highly unlikely though.

 

[Class of 63]

For the same reason Ashley fecking Young is captain and plays regularly for Manchester United, for the same reason Phil Jones got a new contract, for the same reason Marcos Rojo is still here, for the same reason Fred was bought for 52m pounds. Or in short because we are run by absolute incompetent morons.

None of the players you've mentioned came through the system which is kinda my argument - you don't survive so many culls from the age of 8 till 21 if you are just a bang average player, it just doesn't happen.

 

[Class of 63]

Surely trolling

Go on then, at what age do you cease being a promising player?

 

[Class of 63]

If he continues this form for the rest of the season, could well be seeing the end of him here, cause looks like the coaching staff arnt having it anymore. Chances of someone wanting him, on his wages, would be highly unlikely though.

It almost certainly will, and it would be best for everybody, especially himself, if he moves on.

 

[Cassidy]

Go on then, at what age do you cease being a promising player?

You said youngster not player

 

[Class of 63]

You said youngster not player

What difference does that make¿

 

[Kostov]

None of the players you've mentioned came through the system which is kinda my argument - you don't survive so many culls from the age of 8 till 21 if you are just a bang average player, it just doesn't happen.

Coming through the academy is the only argument that kept him in a club way above his actual quality. You were arguing why has he lasted so long, well that is why. If we were run properly he would have been sold by now.

 

[edcunited1878]

Consider this:

Moyes, a mediocre manager, didn't use Lingard. Get sacked. Still able to find not one but two jobs at La Liga and EPL after that.
LVG, great manager. Use Lingard. Get sacked and have to retire for good.
Mourinho, one of the greatest managers of all time. Use Lingard. Get sacked and struggle to find a job.

Moyes did know what he was doing.

What? Lingard was barely around the first team during Year Moyes...who just took over the reigning English champions, of which he didn't have the balls to turn over or refresh as that squad needed refreshing with at least 3 players who could come in a battle for a starting position. Moyes didn't use Lingard because Lingard was a fringe first team player who couldn't get into the first team consistently because there were clear options better than him in every central midfield, wide and attacking line positions.

Moyes did know what he was doing and it caused him to be sacked for the shortest tenured manager post-SAF era. NEXT.

 

[Kelly15]

Go on then, at what age do you cease being a promising player?

26. By then you should be pretty much in your prime. And development after that is minimal. Especially technical attributes.

 

[Class of 63]

Coming through the academy is the only argument that kept him in a club way above his actual quality. You were arguing why has he lasted so long, well that is why. If we were run properly he would have been sold by now.

I'm guessing he only got England recognition because of his longevity at Manchester United then, nothing to do with his actual ability?

 

[manunited1919]

He needs to learn how to take a touch and release the ball quickly instead of always running with it. Ive noticed most of the time we try to move the ball quickly as possible but we end of having to pass it back because players like lingard take way too many touches once they're in possession. It gives the opposition time to recover.

These past 2 months have shown most lingard supporters that he isnt up to standard especially given how weak our team is. He really cant cut it when given an important role like creating chances. Im glad Ole has opted for more technical players like pereira who has been steadily improving. Hopefully we keep on winning games while limiting lingards appearances to just 5 minute substitutions.

Dropping Lingard didn’t happen because Ole ”opted for more technical players”. Ole loves Lingard as if he were his child. The only reason he is now out of the team is that Lingard got injured. But Ole is still trying to give him minutes, to get him back match fit. I hope he realizes sooner rather than later that with Lingard on the team our attack is done.

 

[Class of 63]

26. By then you should be pretty much in your prime. And development after that is minimal. Especially technical attributes.

Jesse was so far behind in his physical development that he probably won't be in his prime till he's 31/32, then and only then can we judge him.

 

[Kostov]

I'm guessing he only got England recognition because of his longevity at Manchester United then, nothing to do with his actual ability?

Him getting England recognition and still getting picked despite being absolute dog shit are two different things. He will always get picked if played in the biggest club in England. Him getting selected last summer in front of Maddison for example was a total travesty. His actual ability is absolute average and he is getting found out.