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Poor Mata, will most likely face being sold by same same manager at 2 different clubs.
In comparison:11 goals and 11 assists isn't half bad for a season's return with him playing on the wing most times.
Yeah I was wondering about that, you originally said it was inferior to Depay and Herrera... which I knew couldn't be right.In comparison:
I had the wrong stats for cup ties. Even those times/stats above are approximate for FA and league cups when a player was substituted on or off.Yeah I was wondering about that, you originally said it was inferior to Depay and Herrera... which I knew couldn't be right.
Yep. 34 starts, 4 sub appearances. The closest to him are Blind and Smalling on 35 each.Apparently he played in every single Premier League game this season, surely the only player of ours to do so?
so isnt this the reason people say he is compromised?Apparently he played in every single Premier League game this season, surely the only player of ours to do so?
I remember a few months ago he was being framed as one of the 'victims' of LVG - surely this is a myth which needs to be dispelled. LVG seemed to have a lot of faith in him, even if he played him out of position or in a system which wasn't quite suited to his talents.
In comparison:
Not surprise. Always a player who is good at picking his moment, but doesn't really influent the whole game too often. Very similar to the Rooney in SAF last year, Moyes season.If I was watching this as an outsider I'd think mata had a great season playing as a #10.
Can't help but like the guy. He has come up with the goods when we've needed it on numerous occasions.If I was watching this as an outsider I'd think mata had a great season playing as a #10.
If we were to sell him today we would get embarrassing money like 18m euro, perhaps 25m euro for a package of him and Fellaini. I rather let him go on a free than have that humiliation.
More like many incompatible players being put together and a (former) manager who played a style that suits very few players!I think the problem as been we've had soooo many players who arguably their best position is 10 when we don't really play with one....
Wouldn't argue that either....More like many incompatible players being out together and a (former) manager who played a style that suits very few players!
I thought we've moved away from this buzzword.If we were to sell him today we would get embarrassing money like 18m euro, perhaps 25m euro for a package of him and Fellaini. I rather let him go on a free than have that humiliation.
He is as good as anyone in our team for the last 3 years in term of goal/assist output.Saw a surprising stat that Mata has many goals for us as he had for Chelsea in a pretty identical number of games... Dispels the myth I've always had that he was more effective for them than he has been for us
I didn't know anything about that. I believe there are far worse words out there we should deal with in that case.I thought we've moved away from this buzzword.
He played a slightly different role for us most of the time, further forward with the accent on his goalscoring (especially at the beginning). I'm pretty sure that his assists numbers aren't close to his Chelsea times.Saw a surprising stat that Mata has many goals for us as he had for Chelsea in a pretty identical number of games... Dispels the myth I've always had that he was more effective for them than he has been for us
I think it is pretty much opposite with his playing positions. He plays deeper/wider for us than he did with Chelsea.He played a slightly different role for us most of the time, further forward with the accent on his goalscoring (especially at the beginning). I'm pretty sure that his assists numbers aren't close to his Chelsea times.
If you are contributing for goals and assists like that, you are good. He has been decent for us. There is no doubt about it. You would wish the likes of Ander would put numbers like he does.His goals and assists tend to mask mediocre performances whilst his general play was a lot better at Chelsea, with slightly less clinical ability in front of goal.
I'm not talking about position but about the role. In Chelsea, Mata was their main playmaker, with us (especially under Moyes) he is much more focused at the goalscoring. That's my take on it at least, maybe I'm just wrong though.I think it is pretty much opposite with his playing positions. He plays deeper/wider for us than he did with Chelsea.
This is very wrong. It's not all down to the system in Mata case. Play making requires touch/control, dribbling skill, quick feet, agility ,... Mata for most part is final ball, shoot only. He is slow, weak, slow turn. His control in tight angle is not top class. He's not true play maker for us. We have seen enough.If you are contributing for goals and assists, you are good. He has been good for us. There is no two way about it. You would wish the likes of Ander would put numbers like he does.
The reason his general play looked shit is that well our overall general play was shit for the last 3 years. It is not like someone was outplaying him in the midfield or wings bar Martial.
He looked a safe player to me which frustrated me a bit but then again it could well be down to the system we have been playing. His passings and thru balls are generally good but if we can't open up spaces fast and often enough, even zidane would suffer at 'playmaking'. I would wait one more season and see how he plays in a bit different system.
Have you seen Mata's touch and control? He can't dribble for sure. Lack of agility, strength, sure.This is very wrong. It's not all down to the system in Mata case. Play making requires touch/control, dribbling skill, quick feet, agility ,... Mata for most part is final ball, shoot only. He is slow, weak, slow turn. His control in tight angle is not top class. He's not true play maker for us. We have seen enough
Touch of play maker. Compare Mata to David Silva. Learn to distinguish play maker touch vs just touch. Why if someone disagree then you associate the opinion with the term can't?Have you seen Mata's touch and control? He can't dribble for sure.
You should watch our games a bit more careful and closer if you think Mata's close control, touch are shit. He is the best we have in our squad.
What is touch of play maker?Touch of play maker. Compare Mata to David Silva.
What is touch of play maker?
This is very wrong. It's not all down to the system in Mata case. Play making requires touch/control, dribbling skill, quick feet, agility ,... Mata for most part is final ball, shoot only. He is slow, weak, slow turn. His control in tight angle is not top class. He's not true play maker for us. We have seen enough.
Silva was much worse then Mata this season, not even close. It seems like you're criticising him for not being the same player as Silva.
Compare David Silva's one of the shitiest season with the Mata's. You're welcomed
Gonna have to disagree here. Mata may not be much in your book but to criticise his first touch is just ridiculous!
Compare David Silva's one of the shitiest season with the Mata's. You're welcomed
So basically you are saying it is first touch, close control? Silva has been better overall in EPL no doubt. But to say that Mata close control and first touch are shit is a bit ridiculous. He has them as good as anyone in EPL. Also mata is all about final ball which is eh play making? And shoot only? hello? football is all about scoring. Not to make hollywood passes around all day. no?
Compare David Silva's one of the shitiest season with the Mata's. You're welcomed