I'm not talking styles, just their respective standings with United fans. The start Klopp has had should be a wake up call.
It made sense, they snatched him before us because we were so patient to give LVG time. Wouldnt be right to sack LVG after one season but if Klopp was acquirable at this tim before christmass then we would have definitely made contact with him by now.
if he can play striker then I don't see why notCan we hire this mascot and give him 300k a week?
I thought they were supposed to be top soon?Two years in a row with comparable emberassment is as consistent as it gets in two years.
That was with a superior squad.
I think a manager in general should be judged on his ability to beat equal squads and to challenge superior squads. That's what some managers can do and that's why they get paid huge wages. I recognize his craftsmanship but I don't see his style adding to the quality of his players, he can make them look terribly good, but that's different from actually making them more succesful. Therefor one has to beat the best and then the tactics and style have to make the product more than the sum of it's parts in those matches. With his style I don't see it happening, because if you demand perfection in control and possession, players can't play at the edge of their technical ability, and therefore not be as dangerous as they could be. He's obviously talented, so if he would make different choices it could get interesting. But so far, against the best he has underachieved or was just on par.
what is failing long term though? Not hitting top 4, not winning the league?
I also want to hear your list of managers better than Guardiola.
If he's given proper funds in the summer he'll get them going properly imo, no he probably won't win the league with them but who could? If can get top 4 whilst playing some decent stuff I would define that as a success given the competition there is the prem, and I think he'll do it next season, maybe even with a trophy on top at some point too.
If he's given proper funds in the summer he'll get them going properly imo, no he probably won't win the league with them but who could? If can get top 4 whilst playing some decent stuff I would define that as a success given the competition there is the prem, and I think he'll do it next season, maybe even with a trophy on top at some point too.
He will then move on to Madrid or Bayern and have the proper platform to really show how good he is, for me Liverpool is stepping stone.[/QUOTE]
oh they won't like that
If he'd wanted Madrid or Bayern job or even United's, he could just have waited for another year...
Don't agree I reckon he wants Bayern long term but he knew they didn't want him...yet.
well then why have most of the Caf been raving about the man?
That's fair, both have been heralded as the messiah here.
Still waiting for the names of those you consider better mate.
He doesn't seem to have learnt new tricks which cost him at Dortmund too.
Yeah, the second Klopp was appointed I argued he'd struggle over the Christmas period simply because managers of his ilk tend to be ill-equipped to deal with this aspect of the Premier League. The same can be argued for Van Gaal who still looks like he's struggling to wrap his head around it.
Yeah, he'll be at Liverpool for a while.
It's hard to tell but for what we know big clubs sack their manager all the time. You're having a laugh if you I think that fat Spanish waiter will survive till August.
He fits right in at Anfield
Simeone, Klopp, Enrique, Van Gaal, Conte...
That can happen, it was the way it happened. He should be able to challenge them, but was humiliated twice.
Don't forget the times he magically didn't go out and it was not because his side was brilliant or even played better. If that Barca squad had a manager who made the product more than the sum of it's parts, they would have won even more and they would have done it more convincingly.
I think he did very well to win one, of course he had the single most important player for a team in a very long time in the history of European football in Ronaldo, but it takes skill to make that work. Imo United almost always has been short on class players compared to their European rivals, and it's difficult to have a team that's well suited for the PL and the CL at the same time. I think it's fair to say that he managed to grind out a couple of cups, instead of beeing the result of supremacy or class. It's also been numerous times that United looked a bit clumsy against the fluidity of some of the opposition in the CL, and not only the great clubs, with the score line quite flattering to mask the difficulties with more modern football. I can't remember a year when United got into the semi's of the CL and I didn't consider them the underdog. I like underdogs to win in general, but I don't agree with the notion that United is among Europe's elite, United has been clinging on for years, decades even, and has fallen out of it a few years ago.
Can't look past the names you mentioned and then take the post very seriously mate, no offence.
I don't think he's underestimated anything. I think he's just inherited a laughably bad squad. I don't think there's any player there that I'd consider a properly good player and I include the wildly overrated Coutinho in that.
I'm sure I could say the same thing about your list of five, but I'm not interested in asking for things like that and put a remark without any substance under it. Yes, I do take offence, not because you don't agree, but for the false pretence.
Logically, I think people are considering what he did a few years ago. They are using that as a basis for his high rating as a manager.
