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The daft mental smiling has become such a noticed parody. He looks like a total moron.
Must be a very scary prospect. Klopp and Salah leaving simultaneously sounds like a living nightmare, personally.I think Salah is gone in the summer.
I can't tell with Salah. He looks like he's slowing down but still puts up really good numbers. Depends who we replace him with?Must be a very scary prospect. Klopp and Salah leaving simultaneously sounds like a living nightmare, personally.
Nunez can feck off. Done with him. He'll never be the answer. I'd like to see us go in for Bowen personally, and he can take Salah's spot. Diaz does look good on the right whenever I see him play there but I don't think he'll ever be a superstar like Salah was.Do you reckon Nunez can play wide and you can shift him to where Salah or Diaz plays and then buy a top CF?
It is a slippery slope once you start putting "maintained competitiveness" as an achievement. For the club and fans, it is a big deal. But in terms of PL greatness, not really.I think from a Liverpool fan's perspective (especially one who started following Liverpool in the late 90's), Klopp's been amazing. We've been in the title conversation in four seasons under him, and in three CL finals. We've won a PL and a CL. We've played some great football and even when things look like they've completely fallen apart (2020/21 & last season), he still finds a way to pick us up and turn it around.
He's the best manager I've seen at Liverpool by quite a distance.
If I look at him overall in the PL era, he's probably 5th? Fergie, Pep, Wenger/Mourinho then Klopp? Conte, Ancelotti, Mancini, etc all have a title but Klopp did manage a CL and has maintained Liverpool's competitiveness. Probably fair to put him there. Certainly some way off of Pep and SAF though. Mourinho & Wenger are clear of him too.
We should've won more though. We've failed at the final hurdle often and seem to come up short in title races.
Seems about right to me.I think from a Liverpool fan's perspective (especially one who started following Liverpool in the late 90's), Klopp's been amazing. We've been in the title conversation in four seasons under him, and in three CL finals. We've won a PL and a CL. We've played some great football and even when things look like they've completely fallen apart (2020/21 & last season), he still finds a way to pick us up and turn it around.
He's the best manager I've seen at Liverpool by quite a distance.
If I look at him overall in the PL era, he's probably 5th? Fergie, Pep, Wenger/Mourinho then Klopp? Conte, Ancelotti, Mancini, etc all have a title but Klopp did manage a CL and has maintained Liverpool's competitiveness. Probably fair to put him there. Certainly some way off of Pep and SAF though. Mourinho & Wenger are clear of him too.
We should've won more though. We've failed at the final hurdle often and seem to come up short in title races.
2 more you mean. Hardly a handfulNot one of the best ever obviously but it's a great CV. He's won everything you can win there.
I see kinda parallels between his Liverpool and our 2007 to 2011 side. That United side is one of the greatest ever but we just had to be around at the same fecking time as the greatest ever in Barca. And without 115 around, then Liverpool win a handful more league titles. A successful period for both clubs but also a period of "What could've been..."
I mean I only do so because Fergie, Pep, Mourinho & Wenger all won more than one title, so they're clearly ahead of Klopp.It is a slippery slope once you start putting "maintained competitiveness" as an achievement. For the club and fans, it is a big deal. But in terms of PL greatness, not really.
It was so bizarre. Pressure would have been all on City but Jurgen wanted the farewell tour of the country.Announcing his departure so soon is looking like one of the biggest managerial blunders ever. Put too much unnecessary pressure on his players.
I thought he would walk last year he looked burnt out like at Dortmund.Feels as if he checked out mentally a while ago.
I don’t know who Slot is but the Dutch league is garbage, can’t trust anything from their.Can see his hearts not in it anymore.
he probably went 2 or 3 seasons too many and peaked with the PL win, should have left once they struggled the next season.
He needs an extended break from football like Zidane and come back to another smaller club with less expectation. He’d be a great replacement for Alonso at Leverkusen after next season.
Liverpool are in for a shocking run Slot will be sacked within 3 months of taking that job.
I don’t think Klopp is considered as such anyway. He’s just considered among the best of this past decade (or whenever that first title at Dortmund was)Course we’d take it, that’s obvious. The point being made, however, is that we would not, under any circumstances, claim that the manager responsible for such a renaissance would be the ‘greatest ever’ like that over-emotional mob do every single time. That’s the difference.
There’s a difference between what he is now and what he was like these past few seasons. I think he is totally spent and doesn’t look right. The players might sense it too. He might even be ill for all we know.The daft mental smiling has become such a noticed parody. He looks like a total moron.
To be fair, Judas was referring specifically to the gurning, the inappropriate smiling, the petulance toward reporters, and the weird raging at officials, which they said made him look like a moron. I don't think anyone believes Klopp is an actual moron, anymore than you believe Judas is an actual child after you told them to "grow up." Or that I believe you're an actual delicate flower if I think you're being oversensitive.There’s a difference between what he is now and what he was like these past few seasons. I think he is totally spent and doesn’t look right. The players might sense it too. He might even be ill for all we know.
As far as calling the man a moron, I understand if you feel that way as him being a coach but as a person that’s just a disgusting way of describing someone, especially when you see what he has been outspoken about on social issues ect. Grow up
I think they'll be happy if they can cash in on Salah.. he will be good enough to contribute for a couple more seasons (at least), but I dont think his value will hold too long.. they need a rebuild.. if they get 100m+ for him, they'll be happy.Must be a very scary prospect. Klopp and Salah leaving simultaneously sounds like a living nightmare, personally.
He might be struggling to regain form after the AFCON injury, and that he just needs a bit of time, but he’s turning 32 and it’s definetely showing, he’s nowhere near the dominant player he used to be.I think they'll be happy if they can cash in on Salah.. he will be good enough to contribute for a couple more seasons (at least), but I dont think his value will hold too long.. they need a rebuild.. if they get 100m+ for him, they'll be happy.
I would rather see him stay.
Fantastic post.To be fair, Judas was referring specifically to the gurning, the inappropriate smiling, the petulance toward reporters, and the weird raging at officials, which they said made him look like a moron. I don't think anyone believes Klopp is an actual moron, anymore than you believe Judas is an actual child after you told them to "grow up." Or that I believe you're an actual delicate flower if I think you're being oversensitive.
It's interesting, though; I'm hoping that the penny will drop for Liverpool fans when they see how much the job has taken out of Klopp after only nine years and think about how Sir Alex (until he was seventy-three years old) built and rebuilt great team after great team over three times that timespan, never wavering or appearing depleted as Klopp does now at only fifty-six years old. I realize Fergie's success was painful, but the disrespect your average Liverpool fan shows toward the great man and the disproportionate lauding of Klopp in comparison is off-the-charts ludicrous, and seems to give the lie to their self-image as "knowledgable fans."
When you consider the circumstances he's been begrudgingly good. He was always the manager i wanted to replace Fergie. Considering the rebuild he had to do and the quality and resources of City he's done very well. And 3 Cl finals is more than the bald one mamaged with City.I think from a Liverpool fan's perspective (especially one who started following Liverpool in the late 90's), Klopp's been amazing. We've been in the title conversation in four seasons under him, and in three CL finals. We've won a PL and a CL. We've played some great football and even when things look like they've completely fallen apart (2020/21 & last season), he still finds a way to pick us up and turn it around.
He's the best manager I've seen at Liverpool by quite a distance.
If I look at him overall in the PL era, he's probably 5th? Fergie, Pep, Wenger/Mourinho then Klopp? Conte, Ancelotti, Mancini, etc all have a title but Klopp did manage a CL and has maintained Liverpool's competitiveness. Probably fair to put him there. Certainly some way off of Pep and SAF though. Mourinho & Wenger are clear of him too.
We should've won more though. We've failed at the final hurdle often and seem to come up short in title races.