You badly need to read a maradona bio if those are your criteria.The hell he is, as they didn't get to the final because of him unlike Maradona, has levels of protection from refs, to be expected given he's fifa's/uefa's love child, plays on pristine pitches with better players around him to do his running, gets a rub and goes down like William Defoe, tax cheat who has tens of millions in his bank, a bully who suffers massively from Napoleon syndrome, so "goat" me arse.
Exactly, so it's hardly Maradonas fault "God" chose to get involvedHand of God.
Well I rarely posted in the Ronaldo vs Messi debate because I appreciate both even though I'm portuguese.Say hello to Mbappe vs Haaland threads
The international argument was stupid to begin with.Anyone with an ounce of intellect would realize that smallest % of players ever win anything with their nations. Many phenomenal players have no international honours. It’s simply the “Maradona” effect but he was literally a one off.As a massive Ronaldo/United fan I can't deny that Messi is the goat.
Yeah.my bad.8th but yeah its pretty meaningless compared to the WC
Fun thing regarding that Sporting/Napoli UEFA Cup Match at Alvalade was that Maradona barely played on the first leg If I am not wrong, he missed the entire pre season because he was forcing a transfer with Luciano Moggi who at the time was at Napoli (before the Juventus saga) but he had to come back, don't remember how he played on the second leg but it was the first time he missed a penalty vs Ivkovic, before Italy 90 match against Yugoslavia. In the end he missed and his teams won, but that's another matter.Well I rarely posted in the Ronaldo vs Messi debate because I appreciate both even though I'm portuguese.
I doubt he will do it because of his personality but Ronaldo has to appreciate the fact that this was actually a debate for while although now it's completely settled. For me Messi is without any doubt the GOAT in front of my favorite player of all time Maradona. I actually saw Maradona play live for Napoli against Sporting at the Old José Alvalade.
I don't care about the Mbappe VS Haaland because it's completely one sided. Haaland has no chance being Norwegian.
Yet... almost every elite player since Pele 58 has answered the international argument. So it's not stupid, the players know it matters.The international argument was stupid to begin with.Anyone with an ounce of intellect would realize that smallest % of players ever win anything with their nations. Many phenomenal players have no international honours. It’s simply the “Maradona” effect but he was literally a one off.
I never understood that. He just needed a functional team and these last few years of multiple successes show that. He was managed by Diego Maradona for one WC ffs. Shows how poorly Argentina NT was run.I feel sorry for anyone still trying to make a case for CR7, it’s just embarrassing at this point.
It’s too difficult to compare players of different eras, Maradona and Messi are probably the two greatest. But doing it at a World Cup in that fashion, at 35 years old, with the pressure of everyone constantly going on about Diego and the social media age. If forced to try and pick I’d give the edge to Messi based on that. He also has a Copa America so actually went one better than Diego for his country.
Rememeber the days when people used to say he wouldn’t do anything without Xavi and Iniesta. Those claims really do seem ludicrous now.
you are really having a bad time. Be strong.Ronaldo is, was and always will be better. The fact that Messi had better players around him for whole career doesn't change that fact.
No PL back then and let’s face it in the back of minds we all want to see the best and how they would do in the best league. Honestly if Messi played in the PL and had the stats he does this debate would have been done already. As it stands on Ronaldo tested his talent in the PL and he came out as one of the greats and I’m sure Messi would have done just as well but we’ll never know.I don't think Maradona and Pele did it in Premierleague though. Messi did score a lot against English teams even though he hasn't faced Stoke City tbf
well you sound totally reasonable and saneThe hell he is, as they didn't get to the final because of him unlike Maradona, has levels of protection from refs, to be expected given he's fifa's/uefa's love child, plays on pristine pitches with better players around him to do his running, gets a rub and goes down like William Defoe, tax cheat who has tens of millions in his bank, a bully who suffers massively from Napoleon syndrome, so "goat" me arse.
Terrible post, could you cry any louder?The hell he is, as they didn't get to the final because of him unlike Maradona, has levels of protection from refs, to be expected given he's fifa's/uefa's love child, plays on pristine pitches with better players around him to do his running, gets a rub and goes down like William Defoe, tax cheat who has tens of millions in his bank, a bully who suffers massively from Napoleon syndrome, so "goat" me arse.
How did Maradona has higer heights, Messi has scored 2 goals in world cup final, Maradona nil.Shorter career but higher highs
Also Messi really has to thank Emi Martinez for this
Ronaldo is, was and always will be better. The fact that Messi had better players around him for whole career doesn't change that fact.
Zidane, R9 & Ronaldinho didn’t bother with the EPL either. Aguero & Tevez tore the Prem to shreds but Messi has to prove hismelf Vs Stoke & West Ham?No PL back then and let’s face it in the back of minds we all want to see the best and how they would do in the best league. Honestly if Messi played in the PL and had the stats he does this debate would have been done already. As it stands on Ronaldo tested his talent in the PL and he came out as one of the greats and I’m sure Messi would have done just as well but we’ll never know.
You will always have nutters who will believe Ronaldo(Maradona is just a camouflage) better because he has sexy abs.Hand of God.
There was never a debate the great man always stood alone, and at this World Cup put any argument to bed. Long live the goatThe debate is over. This will be a very short and cordial thread with everyone just agreeing.
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Messi has also played PL teams numerous times in the CL. Who could forget the 2 finals against Man Utd.Zidane, R9 & Ronaldinho didn’t bother with the EPL either. Aguero & Tevez tore the Prem to shreds but Messi has to prove hismelf Vs Stoke & West Ham?
Nonsense.
It is, still. That's the nature of the beast, I suppose. The margins are soo fine and unquantifiable at the very top that you can have a preference for one or other while maintaining an air of reasonability. But someone who reckons Messi is the absolute greatest can now make exceptionally strong and objective arguments for practically every metric of greatness (maybe the strongest of all). Personally speaking, yes — he is the greatest and the best, by a slight but poignant margin. Just so complete in that he could score at a similar rate to Müller or Cristiano, dribble at a comparable level to Maradona or Best when they were on song, and slice open opposition defenses with an offensive passing range that rivaled the likes of Laudrup or Zico. No one else was as mindbogglingly good when you combine all three aspects of attacking play. When you consider that component with his legacy as the leading edge of one of the most fearsome and iconic teams of all time, personal and collective accomplishments (with this World Cup and the Golden Ball being the cherries on top), and staggering longevity (the wee fella has been the best or one of the very best for 15 years now), it's as close as you can get to an ironclad case. Then you have Mr. Pelé, the former “greatest footballer of all time” — the unsurpassed benchmark for half-a-century. Followed by Maradona, another “greatest footballer of all time” candidate and arguably the most profound talent in the history of the sport. And finally the duo of Beckenbauer and Di Stéfano to round off the subjective Top 5.Is this even a debate anymore?
Diego is God, so it checks outHand of God.
Messi played in the best league. For most of a decade.No PL back then and let’s face it in the back of minds we all want to see the best and how they would do in the best league. Honestly if Messi played in the PL and had the stats he does this debate would have been done already. As it stands on Ronaldo tested his talent in the PL and he came out as one of the greats and I’m sure Messi would have done just as well but we’ll never know.