balaks
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Nobody comes close to Messi.
No one. His skill set is insane. Not only is he pretty much unstoppable on his own, but his vision and playmaking skills are second to none.Nobody comes close to Messi.
Nah Modric is light years ahead of him.
He'll break them all comfortably providing he stays fit.
Modric has been one of if not the best midfielders this decade though. I agree that you can't justify giving him the Ballon'dor ahead of Messi or Ronaldo any of those years, but what a player he is as well, and with several qualities neither Messi nor Ronaldo has.Nah Modric is light years ahead of him.
I'm sure if Barca gets eliminated it gets added to the list of big games Messi has been shitting the bed in. Else it's just Lyon.This isn't a novelty, Messi is great against Betis, Lyon, Girona.. but has been shitting the bed in big games lately.
Wtf are you talking about?! He’s been immense all season. He was solid in the Madrid matches (definitely the most recent one) and has been the best player in the UCL so farThis isn't a novelty, Messi is great against Betis, Lyon, Girona.. but has been shitting the bed in big games lately.
Synchronized metronome trainingThat's just off the charts
What is "smt passes"?
Hmmm, which would that be?Modric has been one of if not the best midfielders this decade though. I agree that you can't justify giving him the Ballon'dor ahead of Messi or Ronaldo any of those years, but what a player he is as well, and with several qualities neither Messi nor Ronaldo has.
Semester passes... I believe it's got something to do with GPA and cum GPA.That's just off the charts
What is "smt passes"?
His engine is unreal, and defensively his reading of the game and defensive positioning are top notch. Otherwise I think he rival Messi in a few qualities such as press resistance, understanding of space and passing. There is obviously more that Messi is good at and as an attacker he is miles ahead, but I don't think he would be a better deep lying midfielder than Modric.Hmmm, which would that be?
Have you seen the sheer amount of tackles he rode in his career? Or his creative range of passings?There is obviously more that Messi is good at and as an attacker he is miles ahead, but I don't think he would be a better deep lying midfielder than Modric.
Even now I don't think anyone of them can seen passes like Messi do from deep positions. Apart from defensive positioning and work rate, there is nothing that these players can do that Messi can't, or better than Messi.Have you seen the sheer amount of tackles he rode in his career? Or his creative range of passings?
Messi would easily dwarf the likes of Pirlo, Scholes, Xavi, Modric if he has been trained to be a midfield metronome, but he’s far too good to be playing that deep. His 07-12 version can play in any position on the field besides CBs and target man/lone CF and be the all time great of that position.
I agree with you, I don't mean to downplay Messi as a creative player from deep, but rather to respond to a sarcastic comment downplaying Modric who is one of the best midfielders I've ever seen. I said Modric could rival Messi at passing from deep and has qualities that are alongside Messi in ball retention etc while excelling as an all around midfielder because of his engine and defensive understanding of the game. In the final third however I think Messi sometimes see what no one else can including Modric, who himself is exceptional.Have you seen the sheer amount of tackles he rode in his career? Or his creative range of passings?
Messi would easily dwarf the likes of Pirlo, Scholes, Xavi, Modric if he has been trained to be a midfield metronome, but he’s far too good to be playing that deep. His 07-12 version can play in any position on the field besides CBs and target man/lone CF and be the all time great of that position.
I definitely think he's as good as anyone, although there have been many examples over the years of players who are fantastic passers from deep and who control the tempo of games so well such as Xavi, Modric, Scholes and so on (which is why I earlier said rival Messi instead of being better than him). I think there is an argument to be made that Messi is a better Xavi than Xavi as well as being Messi. He is truly unreal.Even now I don't think anyone of them can seen passes like Messi do from deep positions. Apart from defensive positioning and work rate, there is nothing that these players can do that Messi can't, or better than Messi.
His passing from deep is just unreal for an attacker. Defense splitting passes, inch perfect through balls, passing between lines.
And Maradona isn't close to him when it comes to club achievements either.He's one of the greatest footballers of all time
But he never achieved anything with Argentina... His personal issues with Icardi, the cocaches, steppin up when ADM and Kuhn were injured... he did nothing. Not close to Maradona
To be fair, he's had a few great tournaments, especially one Copa. Not close to Maradona, that's true, but for any other footballer his international career would've been considered a success. The lack of a trademark international tournament is the only thing that stops him from being considered the GOAT in my eyes (especially since Pelé had managed to win 2 World Cups before and after his peak despite missing 2 of his potentially best tournaments due to injuries).But he never achieved anything with Argentina... His personal issues with Icardi, the cocaches, steppin up when ADM and Kuhn were injured... he did nothing. Not close to Maradona
Can't believe some 7-8 games completely settles who is GOAT and who isn't. It's not Messi's mistake that Higuain missed so many chances in so many finals.And Maradona isn't close to him when it comes to club achievements either.
Every single Argentinian forward shat the bed big time in the WC final, Messi created 4-5 great chances in the first half and somehow they fluffed them all.Can't believe some 7-8 games completely settles who is GOAT and who isn't. It's not Messi's mistake that Higuain missed so many chances in so many finals.
When it comes to career as a whole, Messi is just unbelievably good and better than anyone.
That's just off the charts
What is "smt passes"?
Synchronized metronome training
Not sure how it applies to proper matches since it’s used more for training
Semester passes... I believe it's got something to do with GPA and cum GPA.
Stats against Real Madrid: 38 games, 26 goals, 14 assistsThis isn't a novelty, Messi is great against Betis, Lyon, Girona.. but has been shitting the bed in big games lately.
He is a much better player than Maradona was - I idolised Maradona when I was a kid but Messi is on another level. Whether he wins the world cup or not is irrelevant in my eyes.He's one of the greatest footballers of all time
But he never achieved anything with Argentina... His personal issues with Icardi, the cocaches, steppin up when ADM and Kuhn were injured... he did nothing. Not close to Maradona
What do you mean he did nothing? He has 4 finals and a gold medal with them. There is nothing and there is this. Not close.He's one of the greatest footballers of all time
But he never achieved anything with Argentina... His personal issues with Icardi, the cocaches, steppin up when ADM and Kuhn were injured... he did nothing. Not close to Maradona
If only he'd got injured during the final versus Germany & willed an average teammate to scuff a goal in extra time.What do you mean he did nothing? He has 4 finals and a gold medal with them. There is nothing and there is this. Not close.
Literally a single moment of luck in any of these games and the whole argument disappears.
Ask Real Madrid, not sure if you are serious or what.This isn't a novelty, Messi is great against Betis, Lyon, Girona.. but has been shitting the bed in big games lately.
Compare goalscoring and club trophies and maradonna pales in comparison.He's one of the greatest footballers of all time
But he never achieved anything with Argentina... His personal issues with Icardi, the cocaches, steppin up when ADM and Kuhn were injured... he did nothing. Not close to Maradona
Going by that there are plenty of players he pales in comparison to.Compare goalscoring and club trophies and maradonna pales in comparison.