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You fanboys are crazy, statement of fact
There are plenty of stats that show he has been one of our best performers when fit, ones that have nothing to do with Redcafe, just go and have a look at whoscored.
Basically true. I assume you’ve actually watched us over the last 5 years?
It really is. He’s been an absolute disaster of a signing and rinsed the club for millions. Thanks for Juanfield and a handful of other performances and that’s about it. He’s not been a regular since about his second or third season.
Yet didn't win our player of the season in any of them. How strange.
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Never underestimate the potential for people on here to struggle with basic concepts.
Well we are on the same page in every sense except that I do not think his performances have been as good as some posters.
I’m a season ticket holder in the stretford end….so yes.
Except that is not what this poster was doing. Since they explicitly responded to my post which said the same thing and disagreed.
And the issue is that your opinion doesn't match what the caf thought in the MOTM polls nor what a neutral website thought, which should logically make you question your own version of events.
Shall we play this game with the stats on which players make the most mistakes?
All those MOTM polls confirm is how poorly the whole team have been playing over the last few years (as well as the usual bias towards creative/attacking players) The fact De Gea is top five and Martial top three says it all. Being best of a bad lot means very little about overall quality. Someone has to win MOTM every game after all.
In comparison to his teammates?
You are clutching here. Did someone suggest that Pogba was a perfect players or that there was nothing to criticize in his game? Or did the post that you quoted mention the fact that the caf and neutral observers estimated that he was our best performers more than for other players?
I think that’s another important point. A steady 7/10 player is a far greater asset than someone who oscillates between 8 and 4. Although the latter will obviously win more MOTM awards.
Besides the point, the point was that he has been one of OUR top performers.
He’s been our best performer in less than 1 in 5 games. How he performed in the other 4 games is a better barometer of how well he’s played for us overall. And I suspect the answer is “badly”.
That leads to two questions. Why is Pogba isolated if everyone else is worse? And don't you think that the performances of a midfielder will be greatly affected by the fact that he is surrounded by a "bad lot"?
I don’t understand the first question and I refer you to Steven Gerrard in answer to the second.
His overall performance stats vs the rest of the squad, he is one of the best performers, relative the rest of the team.
Gerrard has never consistently played well while being surrounded by a bad lot, he also hasn't been performing well within a disfunctioning english national team, which is why he has won the grand total of zero league titles. And the first question is why do you isolate Pogba when you consider that his positive evaluations are only the fruit of being surrounded by dross, shouldn't you focus on the dross?
Steven Gerrard was the most important player in Liverpool teams full of very average players that won major trophies. He almost single-handedly won a number of huge games in that time. Legitimate match-winning performances that Pogba has hardly ever produced at United.
On what metric, I'd say on great games he's in the top 5 arguably top 3 and on terrible games the worst 5. He's been the player who makes the most mistakes per minute in the team and one of the worst in the league too.
Actually that’s exactly the point. Expectations differ and you can’t discuss performances in isolation from expectations.
Of course, you can.
On his overall ratings on objective sites like whoscored.
If McTominay is a youth player, so is Pogba (and Lingard).
People are saying he won man of the match more often than a bunch of underperforming players. In less than 1 game in 5.
Which major trophies has he won while being surrounded by average players? Are you talking about the trophies won while having the likes of Owen, Hamann, Xabi Alonso,, Gerrard, Babbel, Fowler or Hyypia as teammates? Gerrard has won two major titles both cups and he had world class teammates in all of them.
That was one thing said in the conversation, one metric used, there have been others also.
Ah. Ok. Which post are those in?
That only makes sense if the expectations were reasonable.
So if they confirm how poorly the team has performed as a whole why are you pitching up in the performance thread of an injured player when others have performed worse?
As seems to be the case with our £80mil captain that the Caf still want to proclaim is only in bad form because, ‘lindelof, bailly, DdG doesn’t come off his line, he’s unfit’ etc.
People will say it’s because he’s ‘loyal’, ‘never spoken bad about the club when not playing’ etc. when actually his form has fallen off a cliff, never recovering & the fact he’s been happy to re-sign knowing he’s not really in management’s plans is in a sense taking the piss out of the club & blocking younger players paths.
