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[Red Bug]

I'm not trying to be an asshole, but I'm getting sick at how much attention Glaston is getting. He always winds you guys up and you spend so much time defending his 'attacks'. I realize sometimes there is a debate in there, and that's fine and good, but I really want to read about Pogba, not the WUM Glaston. Thanks.

Well said. I raised a question about GlastonSpur in the newbies and was accused of being a 'returnee'. I have read Red Cafe for years and how that guy is still allowed to post his anti-United bile here is quite frankly mind boggling.

If everyone just ignored him, he would go away.

Anyway, sorry for the off topic. Hope we get some exciting news about the Pog today. Guy is some player and will improve us no end!

 

[ti vu]

My prediction is that the £100 million fee will look like change in 5 years time

Can be next year. Bale Neymar Griezmann had been getting contract renewed this year because their old release clause are not safe any more. If they can be sweet talk by other clubs, then their own clubs can't do anything but see other clubs activate the old release clause as it's not so expensive in this market anymore. These players need higher wage so they can be pleased and stay away from other clubs.

 

[Adebesi]

Im very ambivalent about this signing because £100m is a ridiculous amount of money. But ultimately I cant object to the transfer on that basis. The market has gone mad but what's the point in being sane when the world around you has descended into lunacy? He will take the team onto another level, that's the main thing. The fact that I find such ostentatious spending personally distasteful shouldnt detract from that.

 

[Stretch]

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EDIT: Utd officials met Raiola in Monaco. Pogba has spoken to friends and said he's open to return to Utd. *

*Thats what I gather from Google translate

 

[VP89]

@VP89 are you getting tired? You made a thread asking would spending 120 mil on more players combined together better. The suggesting Griezman Kante and Draxler. People already explained how inflating this market is, buying more players who play differently can't solve the tactical requirement, Griezman is now as expensive as Pogba but is a #9 and 1/2...

If we don't sign Pogba, you can hold a party. If we do please change club if you are so upset. For now please give something more interesting to talk about than just repeating your opinion at you don't think Pogba is worth the money in many post in the same pages and many different thread.

Gladston's argument is original and funnier than your generic repeating opinion. Wasting time rolling down thread to read something new.

I have no idea why you think I should change clubs, or why you think I should hold a party if Pogba came to United. For your clarity, I would celebrate if Pogba came, but I'm allowed to hold my own opinion that the money could have been better allocated, and if it had to be on a single player I'd rather Griezman.

Yes, I know where Griezman plays. He can play on the right of a front three or off the striker, or even as the front man. Given Rooney is likely to be our number 10, I genuinely think we have as big a hole in that position as we do in midfield.

 

[sajeev]

23 year old Pogba had numerous league titles, trophies and champions league (including a final) appearances to his name and has been at the heart of midfield for those.

I'm pretty sure 23 year old Paul Scholes was just arriving back to the club from a loan spell at Preston North End.


While that puts their levels out of context somewhat, it makes a bit of a mockery of the "young Paul Scholes" comment. The same 23 Year old Paul Scholes in today's market wouldn't be anywhere near 100m.

I am surprised no one has called you out on this blatant lying. Paul Scholes has never played for any club other than Manchester United. Also he was never going to leave Manchester, and at the same age he was playing more as a second-striker, and had around 37 goals. And as you should be knowing he only started late because of his physique and his asthma problems.
Also in 1996, when he had just completed one full season, he was wanted by Blackburn in part exchange for Shearer.
So Paul Scholes in today's market, may not be 100 million, but he would be very close considering the likes of what is being bid for the likes of Dybala

 

[Mike09]

I have no idea why you think I should change clubs, or why you think I should hold a party if Pogba came to United. For your clarity, I would celebrate if Pogba came, but I'm allowed to hold my own opinion that the money could have been better allocated, and if it had to be on a single player I'd rather Griezman.

Yes, I know where Griezman plays. He can play on the right of a front three or off the striker, or even as the front man. Given Rooney is likely to be our number 10, I genuinely think we have as big a hole in that position as we do in midfield.

Let's say we pay £90m-£100m on Griezmann. And instead of using £26m to sign Mkhitaryan, we will use it for centre mid. But is there any top class or world class centre mid cost £26m right now?

 

[Adam-Utd]

The way I see it:

Pogba want's to be a huge world star, and Juventus can't really give him that platform. He's won everything in Italy already, so the desire to stay there competing isn't that strong.

He wants to move to either the PL or La Liga, Ideally he would love to become a galactico as it's a fresh new challenge, but many say he never really wanted to leave UTD. We can give him the platform of stardom he requires, along with being paid amongst the worlds best. We've got the best manager and play in the most exciting league. Zidane won't last at Madrid more than 2 seasons anyway, so that factor can't really be used to make a huge decision.

I think if all factors were equal then he would "probably" prefer Madrid, but we can offer him almost everything apart from guaranteed great weather or a trophy every single year, but hopefully we won't be far behind that.

We've clearly got a deal with the agent, if he's convinced then I think Pogba can be swayed round too. People worried he might have reservations and won't play his best, it just won't happen as he isn't mentally weak like Di Maria.

 

[Red Bug]

People really need to stop worrying about the £100m fee. In recent times, the Glazers have used so much of our profits on interest repayments whilst the likes of Chelsea and Man City have spent big on world class players like Aguero, Silva and Hazard.

When they were bringing in the best players, we were resting on our laurels spending peanuts on the likes of Michael Owen and Tony Valencia.

Now we're seeing the money being spent on actual world class players and not on players way past their best or Wigan Wingers. It shows ambition and where we want to be.

If you're happy treading water for the next few years by making Liverpool-esque signings then great. But I (and most Utd fans) want us back at the very top, dining with Real Madrid and Bayern again. Not slumming it with Southampton and West Ham.

We're Manchester United. And we're actually starting to act like it again.

 

[Ixion]

Beckham was the one that went on loan to Preston.

And 23 year old Scholes wouldn't be close to 100 million today, that's ridiculous. 40 million maybe.

 

[Adebesi]

He wants the Ballon d'Or. He's not going to win that playing for United, you need to be in Spain.

 

[Lostie007]

José wants to make a statement. Breaking the World Record sends out a big message, it is what it does psychologically to other teams to. United get that fear factor back.

Plus it puts some noses out of joint in the offices of Real Madrid as José knows that club inside out, how they run, and how they love the ego and prestige of breaking the World Record. He would love taking that honour from them.

 

[Maagge]

I'm starting to believe this will actually happen.

 

[Mike09]

Beckham was the one that went on loan to Preston.

And 23 year old Scholes wouldn't be close to 100 million today, that's ridiculous. 40 million maybe.

£40m is an insult for Scholes in today's market.

 

[ti vu]

Beckham was the one that went on loan to Preston.

And 23 year old Scholes wouldn't be close to 100 million today, that's ridiculous. 40 million maybe.

Butt was more rated back then. Scholes was like an attacking alternative competing for Butt's spot in 4-4-2 system. Scholes only outgrew Butt later on while Butt's forever young with his brainless moments.

Scholes wouldn't cost near world record fee if he moved. (However, he is invaluable in the United Way so no chance he would be sold when he's still useful for SAF). He's a late bloomer and was not in World Best XI in his early year. Pogba already made it there.

 

[VanGaalEra]

From the Sport Witness article:

Raiola’s new found BFF status with Manchester United and Edward Woodward gives everything a new dynamic, and French newspaper L’Equipe say something on Friday which sounds very encouraging for a move.

Raiola and Woodward have been in talks, blah blah blah… and the player has told those around him he wants a Manchester United transfer.

Oui. L’Equipe state that Paul Pogba has ‘clearly expressed his desire to complete the circle by returning to Manchester United’.

This desire has been expressed to some teammates and friends, and if it’s now also expressed to Juventus, probably via Raiola, then things look like they could really be happening.

Perhaps an important and interesting aspect of the Pogba report is that when L’Equipe published an interview with the player on Thursday, the journalist who spoke to him was Damien Degorre.

The article with the Manchester United claims on Friday is credited to ‘H.De (avec D.D.)’. Meaning DD helped out, who it has be assumed is Damien Degorre, suggesting this may be as well sourced as it gets.

 

[Escobar]

People said the Ronaldo deal was a lot at the time, yet in retrospect it looks an absolute steal. I'm not saying the same will happen to Pogba, but there's a decent chance the rest of the market will catch up within a few years.

Ronaldo was already the 2nd best player after Messi and was just brilliant in every game and by far the best player of a team that won titles and CLs

 

[Adebesi]

Mourinho wants to make a statement. Breaking the World Record sends out a big message, it is what it does psychologically to other teams to. United get that fear factor back.

See I dont think this is the point at all. If spending large amounts of money for the message of it was the issue last season would have done the trick. Its about the team, about the football. About finding the right player with the right qualities, regardless of what he costs. I dont think spending a vast sum of money frightens anyone, it adds considerable pressure for the player in question, and then you have to see how the player copes with that. I dont think Pogba will have a problem with it. But spending a vast sum on Torres didnt make people frightened of Chelsea. Spending a vast sum on Carroll didnt make people frightened of Liverpool. It made people laugh at them for their wastefulness - or desperation.

Pogba is of course better than those players. But the point is the reason to sign him IMO is because of the qualities he gives us, not because spending money is a positive thing in and of itself.

 

[K2K]

Bale at the time was in the top 3 wingers in the world (FWIW I still think he is). Aside from the fact that wingers/strikers command higher transfer fees than central midfielders as the norm, he was still cheaper than what we are supposedly bidding for Pogba.



Yeah, they did, but never as much as we are planning to with Pogba. We broke the british transfer record with Di Maria, and we will look to almost double that with Pogba. Its nuts.

This now just becomes a matter of opinion. Just like one would have the opinion that Pogba is one of the best midfielders in the world.

We are paying more also because market prices have also gone up since then.

 

[The Man Himself]

He wants the Ballon d'Or. He's not going to win that playing for United, you need to be in Spain.

Ronaldo won it with United and it can happen in future too. No reason to think it will forever be going to a player playing in Spain. Also, if Pogba goes to RM or Barca there are many players there, who will be front runners for BdO if say one of them do a treble with Pogba in side.

 

[Escobar]

You miss my point, how do you 'dominate' a game when no one else in the team can do anything right? What's he supposed to do so with the ball exactly? What he is supposed to when no one seems capable of passing it to him?

You still can impose yourself and push your team forward. Like Keane used to do. That's why I say that Pogba is very good when everything around him is set up perfectly, but he himself cant take charge

 

[Theatre of Screams]

He wants the Ballon d'Or. He's not going to win that playing for United, you need to be in Spain.

Ronaldo says otherwise.

 

[Adebesi]

Ronaldo won it with United and it can happen in future too. No reason to think it will forever be going to a player playing in Spain. Also, if Pogba goes to RM or Barca there are many players there, who will be front runners for BdO if say one of them do a treble with Pogba in side.

Its happened before. It can happen, but it rarely does. But clearly for someone who has gone on the record with this ambition Madrid is a much more attractive destination. I would say it is easier to win that accolade if you are playing at Barca or Madrid.

 

[Ixion]

£40m is an insult for Scholes in today's market.

My maths might be wrong here but at 23 he had a couple of sub appearances in the Champions League, hadn't played for England in any International tournament yet and started about half the number of games Nicky Butt did. You can't compare him to Pogba at 23.

He was fantastic no doubt but in today's market no one would break the transfer world record for him at that time. He also got better with age, he was a different kind of player at 23 than he was at 30.

 

[The Man Himself]

Who the f is @Damien Degorre?

 

[The Man Himself]

Its happened before. It can happen, but it rarely does. But clearly for someone who has gone on the record with this ambition Madrid is a much more attractive destination. I would say it is easier to win that accolade if you are playing at Barca or Madrid.

Madrid is more attractive destination, yes. No need to deluded ourselves otherwise. It has been mentioned multiple times though that RM is not really interested in matching how much we are willing to pay for Pogba. So say we are offering 50k/w more to Pogba and around 20-30m more to Juve then it is likely that we will get him over Madrid.

 

[Gasolin]

L'Equipe are the reliable newspaper from France right? If they're reporting this, I'd assume it's accurate considering it comes from the French side.

Again for transfers it's just another tabloid. Unless this is a whole article in the written newspaper. That is a very reliable source then.

 

[Mike09]

My maths might be wrong here but at 23 he had a couple of sub appearances in the Champions League, hadn't played for England in any International tournament yet and started about half the number of games Nicky Butt did.

He was fantastic no doubt but in today's market no one would break the transfer world record for him at that time. He also got better with age, he was a different kind of player at 23 than he was at 30.

Different situation. Scholes wasn't even considered to be one of the best at 23 years old. Some players take longer to be the best. Pogba at 23 years old is already being labeled as a world class, one of the best centre mid alongside Modric and Iniesta and named in best XI in 2015. So it makes sense why Pogba will cost way more than Scholes at 23 yo

 

[Grib]

Re £100million and inflating the market nonsense, it's all our fault fyi

 

[RDCR07]

Just feel Woody wants to break that transfer record. He is itching to do it that muppet.

 

[Tomuś]

Who the f is @Damien Degorre?

The name sounds like an ancient oracle onyx from the Hercules movie.

 

[RDCR07]

Re £100million and inflating the market nonsense, it's all our fault fyi

Successful's similar diagram just came screaming back to me.

 

[M16Red]

At 22-23 Scholes mostly played as a striker, only chucked in midfield due to an injury to Keane. A 23 year old Scholes wouldn't be considered a specialist.

I am surprised no one has called you out on this blatant lying. Paul Scholes has never played for any club other than Manchester United. Also he was never going to leave Manchester, and at the same age he was playing more as a second-striker, and had around 37 goals. And as you should be knowing he only started late because of his physique and his asthma problems.
Also in 1996, when he had just completed one full season, he was wanted by Blackburn in part exchange for Shearer.
So Paul Scholes in today's market, may not be 100 million, but he would be very close considering the likes of what is being bid for the likes of Dybala

I was going to call them out but I ran out of posts on the mains , Scholes was playing as a number 10 in them days. Loved the football we played back then its was really swashbuckling football.

1996 when the euros was on they used close my school and us it as a car park for Old Trafford....remember siting on the bus home with people from all over Europe, I remember it being sunny that year as well.

The fact still remains that Pogs isn't really a specialist in the 8 or 10 role, as yet. Spending 100m on one player is just nuts...Dybala went for 34mil...so Pogs is worth 3 of Dybala's?

Ronnie was worth 80mil when we sold him, he scored 42 (ish?) goals the season before - and was just a beast. Maybe in two years Pogs after settling into his favorited position could / will be worth that money.

 

[Adebesi]

Madrid is more attractive destination, yes. No need to deluded ourselves otherwise. It has been mentioned multiple times though that RM is not really interested in matching how much we are willing to pay for Pogba. So say we are offering 50k/w more to Pogba and around 20-30m more to Juve then it is likely that we will get him over Madrid.

Well I dont personally feel qualified to comment on what Madrid are interested in doing as I have no idea. I can see Zidane clicking his fingers after the tournament is over and the whole thing being done, all our bluster will count for nothing. But all this has been said before as well, there is nothing to do but wait and see. I do feel a little more confident than I expected to about this. While I dont feel as confident in your assessment about Madrid as you apparently do I can see the logic behind your statement.

 

[Mike09]

Re £100million and inflating the market nonsense, it's all our fault fyi

The flow chart is quality!!

 

[RDCR07]

The fact still remains that Pogs isn't really a specialist in the 8 or 10 role, as yet. Spending 100m on one player is just nuts...Dybala went for 34mil...so Pogs is worth 3 of Dybala's?

Stop trying to compare transfer prices. It doesnt work that way. Carroll went for £35m so Dybala isnt even worth as much as Carroll?

 

[The Man Himself]

Well I dont personally feel qualified to comment on what Madrid are interested in doing as I have no idea. I can see Zidane clicking his fingers after the tournament is over and the whole thing being done, all our bluster will count for nothing. But all this has been said before as well, there is nothing to do but wait and see. I do feel a little more confident than I expected to about this. While I dont feel as confident in your assessment about Madrid as you apparently do I can see the logic behind your statement.

Well, I am going by what I have read through different outlets. It is very well possible for RM to say "feck it let's just go full muppet" and they will get him if that happens. I do feel more confident about this than Bale, Neymar, Muller etc sagas.

 

[RDCR07]

Re £100million and inflating the market nonsense, it's all our fault fyi

That should be Arsenal instead of Liverpool at the bottom.

 

[ti vu]

You still can impose yourself and push your team forward. Like Keane used to do. That's why I say that Pogba is very good when everything around him is set up perfectly, but he himself cant take charge

Wrong. Watch France yesterday, I called Pogba the best midfielder on the field. Even when France being push back by Germany, it's Pogba heart of France defensive shape. He doesn't need to run around like headless chicken, but he the backbone of France team yesterday. He made some mistake, but overall he has a perfect game from tactically point of view. Appeared at vital point at defense and in attack. Calm thing down with the little possession he and France had at the time. He took charge and commanded the players around him. At one time he yelled at Koscielny. If anything Pogba shows that he has similar influence like Keane's. Keane is not miracle worker who can turn broken team to functional one. Keano does similar thing I just listed Pogba did above, with Keano getting tuck in more.

This is exactly why I believe Mourinho sees him as his fundamental specialist. Mourinho team soaks pressure, but not being crushed by the pressure. Capitalize on opponent mistake. Pogba is the human expression to Mourinho's philosophy like Xavi's to Pep's tiki taka game. Mourinho is known as a long term fan of a Pogba IIRC even when Pogba was with us.

 

[TrueRed79]

Why is this Glaston guy allowed to derail this thread? It's bs that i have to see his posts. Can i mute him?

Again for transfers it's just another tabloid. Unless this is a whole article in the written newspaper. That is a very reliable source then.

Sport Witness's Tweet was very revealing. He is not a WUM and reckons the source of the article is actually spot on and very reliable. That's the best news i have read so far.