Math checks out, yeah.
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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Math checks out, yeah.
While its easy to mock, the protests have led to a few things beyond statues in the States
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ved-george-floyd-death-police-funding-statues
And the Rhodes must fall and other anti-racist movements have said what they want to achieve beyond bringing down statues. Including some of the long term societal changes you've said.
Your caricature of the movement as doing angry things I don't know whether its for some edgelord comedic bullshit reasons or if its genuinely how you feel, but its wrong. Yes there will be fringe elements of any movement that will do things that are anathema to the movement and counterproductive but surely the big picture is what's important?
I was waiting for Biden to something stupid. Actually a decent interview.
This is Aladeen newsThere is a petition online to get the White cliffs of Dover renamed the Black Lives Matter cliffs of Dover.
I really hope that this is a parody. The cliffs are white in colour. Nothing to do with race ffs
Have no idea why Democrats are against defunding the police. If Bernie was still in the race, I reckon he would have gotten a lot more votes. At the end of the day, under Biden I dont see any major changes happening.
‘Bye-bye, Tucker’: Fox News host loses multiple corporate advertisers following rants against Black Lives Matter
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/by...s-following-rants-against-black-lives-matter/
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/by...s-following-rants-against-black-lives-matter/
He won’t give a feck, OANN and Brietbart will pick him up and ply him with those roubles.
Some are but that's to be expected, you'll have those who buy into the law and order bullshit and are only voting blue because Biden isn't scary or a commie. To be fair to Biden, I'm not sure Bernie gets it either.
Indeed, not surprised! Also a difficult spot to open a retain business or restaurant given its location and one imagines there’s plenty of more modern office spaces available at the business park on Caton road.
The big picture is news stories about people destroying statues and attacking police officers, and the fact we have a world wide pandemic going on.
This just harps back to what I was saying the other day about our social media generation of left wingers who are more concerned with being seen to be anti this or anti that, than they are with actually bringing about meaningful change.
It's really easy to go and stand in the street shouting, or destroy property, or go off on a rant here and there. It's much harder to come up with solutions and realistic ways to achieve them, and to actively engage society into subscribing to them. It is not impossible but it involves a very different attitude to what is being portrayed here atm.
It's the difference between saying the police are racist because they search black people more, and accepting that the police search black people more because of the perceived higher likelyhood of them carrying a weapon, and that the racism is actually hidden in the reason why that is the case.
As you say there may be a few people willing to engage in a more progressive way, but as long as the idiots are off the leash the headlines will be about idiots. Make it a black and white issue and that's always what it will be.
Insulting another member
I was wondering when you were going to show your face in this thread again. Thought you’d leave it a few days so you wouldn’t get called out? Never did see you post any sort of contrition. It’s funny how all these white males who two weeks ago were demanding a reopening of the economy are suddenly against people going out and protesting the implicit and systemic racism in this country.
I didn’t say it before but you’re definitely racist by wilful ignorance, you’ve had plenty of time to educate yourself and have clearly elected not to. Racist is as racist does, shame.
Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage loses UK radio show after statue row
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/br...-farage-loses-uk-radio-show-after-statue-row/
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/br...-farage-loses-uk-radio-show-after-statue-row/
Spot on. I really can't understand how anyone who is against racisms can criticise this movement at this moment in time, pandemic or not.
@That'sHernandez you’ve gone and done it now. Get ready for the ban and BS rhetoric from Grinner explaining why he actually isn’t racist.
I’d rather be banned and have a clear conscience than be able to post somewhere racists are defended because they are popular members of the forum. That’s sort of what this whole battle is about really, isn’t it?
You are definitely racist and lack the brain power to understand the difference between "reopening the economy" and forming massive groups of 10k+ people.
Do as I say, not as I do
No I "left it alone" for a few days because I have been busy and have barely had time to look on here. I'm currently listening to a 4 hour lecture about how sound travels through walls so thought I'd log on here to avoid killing myself.
I haven't demanded a reopening of anything. I had a debate with Pogue about balancing lockdown measures with people's wellbeing and health...and I already addressed this after the previous time you called me racist, which you have chosen to ignore whilst calling me "willfully ignorant"
Do you go around accusing people with anti racist views of being racists a lot? How does that work for you? Do you think this is a good way to stop people being racist?
I understand the difference. Non-racist people have a judgement call: do they protest the racism too, or do they say “I personally don’t feel comfortable protesting in the current climate but people have a right to protest.”
Most my friends elected the latter and didn’t criticise those of us who decided to protest.
Didn’t accuse you the first time, your post was implicitly racist. The fact that you don’t see that evidences and confirms my initial suspicions.
All you had to do was say “Apologies, I can see that I phrased that insensitively” and move on but you see nothing wrong with it.
You did accuse me the first time and several people also pointed out to you that you had accused me of being racist.
Why would I apologise because you don't agree with my opinion? My opinion at the time was that I didn't want people to die of corona virus.
According to you this means I'm racist.
Explain yourself without sounding like a tit. Go on
Yeah it's been quite the character arc from old @noodlehair.
Absolutely. I was also hoping he’d read the room and spare us of a repeat performance. Nobody wants to hear that. Not in this thread, anyways.
You say that but there is people like this Cathy about and Purdue university trying to stop the word man and renaming places such as Manchester and changing words like humans. Unless Cathy is made up and it’s all a lie.
I don’t know what to believe anymore, the world is full of wonderful people
Disagreeing Or having issues with a protest during a worldwide health pandemic where thousands have died and everyone else has been locked away for the previous months does not make one racist imo.
I already have:
And I have already told you how you could prove you're not racist but you continue to stubbornly refuse to admit you were wrong to phrase your argument in the (implicitly racist) way you did, which suggests to me that you do not think the way you phrased your argument was in any way racist and therefore you are either racist or choosing to remain ignorant, which in my opinion makes you racist as silence, or at least the unwillingness to educate ones self is complicity.
Classic example of right wing media baiting their own target demographic with an inconsequential news item which they know will rile them up. And it's this type of disingenuous rhetorical framing which will be used to turn the protests into an absurdity about statues and cliffs instead of social inequality and structural racism.
You can disagree with the protest, fine. Perhaps if you don't use implicitly racist language while disagreeing with the protest you won't get called racist?
I don’t disagree with that, it’s clearly a bullshit interview to rile , but still, Cathy must be a real person with those views and the university is also real, unless they’re not.
Was just pointing out that it wasn’t so so so obviously a joke as a poster mentioned a couple of times
I doubt that. If you watch the interview again you can see that she isn't affiliated with the university (whose style guide is ubiquitous in academia). She's a talking head who appears on Fox as an ostensible devil's advocate. It's an old trick. They pick someone who "disagrees" with the host when that person and the host actually agree entirely or are both fully in sync with what's expected (to ridicule and poke fun of the issue at hand). She's just playing a part.
Exactly mate. Everyone calls them the white cliffs of Dover because they are white cliffs
Good enough for the cnut
Alternatively, if it helps you to come down off the hill you have chosen, why not explain to me how the language used in this post, which is mocking black people for going out and protesting the racism they experience, is not racist?
It is their choice to put their lives at risk, knowing the implications, to go out and protest. So if you can come up with a better argument than "I don't want the virus to kill them," I will apologise to you wholeheartedly.
Look, feckwits...I don't know why this needs to be said, but it isn't ok to just call someone a racist because they say something that is in no way racist. It is completely out of order.
You can disagree or whatever, but what I have said is that protesting during a world pandemic, tearing statues down and accusing police of being racist, doesn't actually help fight racism. This is NOT a racist statement. It is an opinion that is apparently different to yours.
My opinion is based on the fact I am worried because I don't see how these current actions will do anything other than divide people and if anything create ill feeling and entrench feelings of racism. As you can see from some of the news headlines, facebook posts, etc. condemming them. You have people guarding statues because they are worried about vandals. People who have spent the last two months fearing for their lives only to watch thousands marching about in the street, and you are alienating them from your cause, and then when they disagree with you, you are calling them racists. Stop doing that. It's pathetic.
My sister and a friend were literally AT these protests. They have the same values as me. My criticising them is not the same as telling people they have no right to attend them. It is also not the same as being a racist, or whatever Hernandez is on about...which basically seems to be repeatedly calling me racist whilst claiming he hasn't called me racist. I can't defend myself from someone calling me a racist who doesn't know me or anything about me.
I understand people are angry and upset and that it's a difficult subject, but I don't appreciate being accused of things I am not or of this childish mob mentality.
I don't care if you think I'm popular or not or expect that means I'll be treated differently. I go weeks without posting and was unaware more than about 4 people on here even knew who I was these days. Who fecking cares.
Cynicism =/= Racism.
What @noodlehair is saying is that a virus which could kill a lot more people could be spread with elevated efficiency via the same people that are protesting for the group in question that is disproportionately affected by said virus. That is a valid argument to make, even if you don’t agree.
Well for a start it wasn't just black people who attended the protest, and this post was not aimed at black people. Except you already know that.
And I already have explained it. If I went to the protest, it's not MY life I am putting at risk. It is the people who I might pass the virus on to. I don't think have a right to decide on behalf of someone else, whether THEIR life is worth me going to a protest. If I did think I had this right, then believe it or not, I'd have been there.
Is there something about this point of view that you fail to understand?
I get that you're upset but you're bang out of order mate.
Feck me man. It's so simple. Don't use racist language and you won't get called racist. Don't defend the racist language because you're not mature or adult enough to come down and admit when you were wrong and you won't be called racist.
Don't be racist and you won't be called racist. This forum has had plenty of threads about chiming up when you hear racism in the stands at OT. Why is it when people see racism on this forum and call it out, they are called feckwits? Do us all a favour and do some soul searching.
It's a conscious choice these people have already made that you are mocking. There is nothing about your point of view I fail to understand whatsoever; most of my friends have come to the same conclusion as you. The difference between you and my friends is you have mocked the protests.
I haven't disagreed with the argument; I have disagreed with the language used to make the argument. How is that so hard for people to understand? I'm not the one failing in cognition here; I understand and respect that other people don't think it's the right time for such a protest and in fact I agree with them, it isn't. The difference is I also think there is no right time for the protests.