Foxbatt
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All the people here who are positive you all have my prayers and best wishes and hope and pray that you recover soon.
Good Luck.
Good Luck.
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Not sure that's the sort of encouragement he wants.Jeez....
Very, very Best of Luck.
Try to remember the hundreds of us on here who will be pulling for you....
Seconded.All the people here who are positive you all have my prayers and best wishes and hope and pray that you recover soon.
Good Luck.
Government takeover? They're already in control!yeah honestly full tin foil had stuff - trying to crash a train into a hospital boat
"In his first interview with Los Angeles port police, Moreno acknowledged that he "did it," saying he was suspicious of the Mercy and believed it had an alternative purpose related to COVID-19 or a government takeover, the affidavit states. "
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...nally-derailed-train-near-usns-mercy-n1174461
Not sure that's the sort of encouragement he wants.
In France the initial issue was that the amount of labs authorized to make these type of tests were limited and the local authorities didn't want to see potentially infected people mingle with the rest of the population in standard towns labs. Since the amount of labs with the proper authorisations has been increased and by the end of the week 20k tests should be done daily with the goal to have 50k daily tests by the end of the month. Basically the story is the french legendary administration at work.Tweet
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UK getting a lot of criticism for its testing but what's the story with France and Japan?
Me too. Before it kicked there but was taking hold in Italy there were a lot of Yanks saying that it had spread in Europe because of socialism and public healthcare. Honestly. I was saying to them that the type of healthcare is irrelevant. But they wouldn’t have it, insisting that their private healthcare is more than enough to deal with it and is the best in the world. Fast forward two and half weeks and what do we see? New York is being overwhelmed and it will be soon making those horrrible decisions that Italy had to make about who gets a ventilator and who doesn’t.there are plenty of nutters
this guy derailed a train trying to crash it into a boat to uncover some alleged government conspiracy about CV19
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-01/man-charged-derailing-train-hospital-ship-mercy
the tin foil hat brigade will be out in full force in the USA and I believe given the spike in sales of guns and ammo they will be armed to the teeth as well - at the same time people facing bills of tens of thousands a day to be on a ventilator and gun shops being deemed essential whilst large scale religious gatherings being permitted in florida
Im certainly glad im not over there
Stay strong Mr or is it Ms Hernandez? So many people you've never met are sending best wishes and positive energy your way and to the other heroes on the frontlines of this pandemic. It's a shame the developed world's governments took no notice of the warning that Virus X could emerge and cause unforeseen health emergencies in rich countries let alone less developed and poor ones.May very well hold you to that!
There's too much fluctuation to look purely at daily figures, but you could look at today's as the curve flattening. There were 563 new deaths reported yesterday, 569 today.These UK numbers are looking pretty dire after the mild optimism of last week. Tracking to exceed Italy? Pretty sure Italy's death-toll had started to curve around now, the UK's seems to be taking a near vertical trajectory.
with the added layer of who can pay for it i assume as i believe its around £25,000 a day to be on a ventilator - and even if you have insurance it often only covers a % of that leaving many with bills of £10,000+ and I think on average is it 12 days most spend on a ventilator if they need it - plus the other associated bills - Id guess $half a million is not out of the question per person - gonna be a lot of people filing for bankruptcy I think - and presumably a lot of hospitals chasing relatives of the dead for money... perhaps our socialist healthcare wont seem so bad then?Me too. Before it kicked there but was taking hold in Italy there were a lot of Yanks saying that it had spread in Europe because of socialism and public healthcare. Honestly. I was saying to them that the type of healthcare is irrelevant. But they wouldn’t have it, insisting that their private healthcare is more than enough to deal with it and is the best in the world. Fast forward two and half weeks and what do we see? New York is being overwhelmed and it will be soon making those horrrible decisions that Italy had to make about who gets a ventilator and who doesn’t.
Yo, take care mate. You can beat this. Come back next week and tell us you beat itMay very well hold you to that!
Couldn’t have put it better myself.with the added layer of who can pay for it i assume as i believe its around £25,000 a day to be on a ventilator - and even if you have insurance it often only covers a % of that leaving many with bills of £10,000+ and I think on average is it 12 days most spend on a ventilator if they need it - plus the other associated bills - Id guess $half a million is not out of the question per person - gonna be a lot of people filing for bankruptcy I think - and presumably a lot of hospitals chasing relatives of the dead for money... perhaps our socialist healthcare wont seem so bad then?
It's going to be interesting to see Swedens numbers in the next few weeks..
They've only tested 1/5th of the amount of people that Norway have tested, and when you look at the amount of infected, deaths and people in serious condition it really doesn't paint a pretty picture.
Couple of things here @Uncle Bob and @OleBoiiiI think Sweden will be the hardest hit Nordic country by far. I mean, it already is, but it's going to get worse. Adjusted for population size, they have more than 3 times as many deaths as Norway.
It's a damn shame. I reckon the state epidemiologist will get fired after this.
Yep. I'm amazed it's taken this long for the media as one to realise how important testing is. Criminal mass testing wasn't ready when we went into lockdown particuarly as Hancock actually said in the commons in mid January the U.K were ready with plenty of testing equipment!Papers across the spectrum absolutely hammering the government today and not before time.
Sick of hearing what a "great job they're doing".
Less travel to/from I'd imagine.Why does Africa look relatively unaffected - you would have thought with inter generational living and some quite crowded conditions in cities that it would take hold quite quickly there?
Just behind the infection curve in timeline or mass under reporting (possibly due to lack of testing?) - or is there another reason (average age / demographic being lower?)
Yep. I'm amazed it's taken this long for the media as one to realise how important testing is. Criminal mass testing wasn't ready when we went into lockdown particuarly as Hancock actually said in the commons in mid January the U.K were ready with plenty of testing equipment!
Real insult very small % of NHS workers have been tested so far, nevermind general population.
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Yep there's an article on the BBC that also gives a different view of things.Nothing wrong with some positivity. The scientific experts in here would have you believe this is the apocalypse.
They're expected to by this time next week.Murica could soon be looking at 2000+ daily deaths.
Well, here in Japan the Prime Minister Mr Abe has said his goverment will send two cloth masks to every household...........that's the sum-total of the Japanese Governments' new announcement of ways to help Japanese citizens, not sure about foreign residents as apparently we don't count most of the time despite being taxpayers and believe me the taxes here are quite sizeable on modest incomes, with none of the benefits you get in a relatively high taxing country.I would certainly wear a mask if I could actually get hold of a supply.
But try as I might, it is close to impossible in England.
No more unlucky than pretty much every other European country. Almost all of them had school half-term that week and thousands upon thousands of people headed to the Alps. It was people returning from ski trips in the Alps that seeded most of Europe. Certainly that’s what happened in the Uk/Ireland. If anything, Sweden may have been slightly less affected as you don’t have to leave Sweden to go on a ski holiday (I think?) unlike countries that are further south/less mountainous.Couple of things here @Uncle Bob and @OleBoiii
Report coming out on Svt today that a large proportion of those who have died are from the Somali community. Living in apartments with several generations and theories that a Friday prayer at Mosque kicked it all off a few weeks back. Järla is the hardest hit area in all of Sweden, 90% in that area from an immigrant background.
It fecking awful Here's a report from a few days ago, https://www.garoweonline.com/en/new...of-coronavirus-in-sweden-than-any-other-group. Think Svt will be releasing their report later.
As for Tegnell getting fired, first off Stockholm's sportlov (sport school holdiday) was the very week it all kicked off in Italy, when sportlov started, there was just 229 cases in all of Italy, by the end of sportlov they had 1700 and it was going up like a NASA rocket.
As you guys both know, Swedes use that week to go skiing in the alps, we know for certain that Stockholm brought home shitloads of Covid-19 from that week, so who knows where Sweden, Denmark and Norway were on the 2nd March with regards to total numbers of infected. Could people really have predicted that Italy would explode like that? Maybe? But surely you see how unlucky that week and timing was for Stockholm?
Secondly, Tegnell isn't a one man show, the entire folkhälsomyndighet are making the calls, they actually brought out the big chief the other day due to comments like yours because he was flabbergasted that people who treating it like a small firm with one bloke calling the shots.
Will lots of people die in Sweden, yes, but they will in Denmark too by the end of this (and Germany, Belgium Holland etc etc etc etc), no question. Norway, might just have done enough early enough to chase it down, but time will tell, I'm extremely interested to see what happens there after lockdown and the Norwegian plan. Fingers crossed. People are still looking so short term at this and the numbers, it'll likely be going for months and months.
Well you don't have to leave Sweden Pogue but we're big skiers here, compared to Ireland it's dwarfed obviously. It's not even called half term here, it's called "Sport Semester" as it supposed to be a week to take the kids doing winter sports.No more unlucky than pretty much every other European country. Almost all of them had school half-term that week and thousands upon thousands of people headed to the Alps. It was returning ski trips from the Alps that seeded most of Europe. Certainly that’s what happened in the Uk/Ireland. If anything, Sweden may have been slightly less affected as you don’t have to leave Sweden to go on a ski holiday (I think?) unlike countries that are further south/less mountainous.
Quoting this here. FYI.Wanted to remind everyone that there are people out there who are trying to take advantage of the situation to commit fraud.
Be careful out there.
https://www.interpol.int/en/News-an...L-warns-of-financial-fraud-linked-to-COVID-19
https://www.antifraudcentre-centreantifraude.ca/features-vedette/2020/covid-19-eng.htm
Not being snippy here but immigrant communities such as the Somalis in Sweden may be lucky to have the welfare they get from a democratic socialist state like Sweden but they can hardly be compared to privileged European communities who go skiing as a matter of course. Many minorities in Sweden are refugees and it probably would be correct to assume that they might have been left out of the loop to some extent regarding the virus.No more unlucky than pretty much every other European country. Almost all of them had school half-term that week and thousands upon thousands of people headed to the Alps. It was people returning from ski trips in the Alps that seeded most of Europe. Certainly that’s what happened in the Uk/Ireland. If anything, Sweden may have been slightly less affected as you don’t have to leave Sweden to go on a ski holiday (I think?) unlike countries that are further south/less mountainous.
It's so tricky. The Swedish authorities now are having to defend themselves that they gave out information in Somali weeks back etc, but did it hit home? Did it reach the right people?I'm not saying the Swedish authorities etc didn't give information but western countries with immigrant populations especially refugee ones need to do better in giving early and effective information in times like this.
is there a similar site for the UK - its bleak but info that would be usefulThey're expected to by this time next week.
even if it did you cant force people to obay it - we had a pub raided in england the other day because people were choosing to ignore all the advice for sure I dont think you can argue the government has not got the message over that pubs should be closed but people choose to ignore itIt's so tricky. The Swedish authorities now are having to defend themselves that they gave out information in Somali weeks back etc, but did it hit home? Did it reach the right people?
I'm sure they did but just like other developed countries with refugees they need to co-ordinate better with community groups, identify leaders who can be the bridge in communicating etc.It's so tricky. The Swedish authorities now are having to defend themselves that they gave out information in Somali weeks back etc, but did it hit home? Did it reach the right people?
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Sweden hasn't been more unlucky when it comes to the ski trips. Many Norwegians came back from Italy and Austria with the corona virus. Those are very popular destinations in the winter for upper/upper middleclass people.
As for the problem of the virus spreading faster among immigrants: the same is true for Oslo right now
Seconding what OleBoiii says. People in Norway are moneyed, and we certainly had a feck-ton of people bringing it home from skiing holidays.It's so tricky. The Swedish authorities now are having to defend themselves that they gave out information in Somali weeks back etc, but did it hit home? Did it reach the right people?
I would think it is true. This virus has given many nations and leaders a means to tie up loose ends in thier national politics. I read today that the first confirmed case has been found in an indigenous Amazonian tribe, Bolsonaro must be wetting himself with happiness.
Not Sweden, I mean Stockholm in particular, Stockholm's half term was the week it went from "no problem" to "holy feck" in Italy. This for you too @Eriku as it was the point I was trying to make.@Regulus Arcturus Black
Sweden hasn't been more unlucky when it comes to the ski trips. Many Norwegians came back from Italy and Austria with the corona virus. Those are very popular destinations in the winter for upper/upper middleclass people.
Do his advisers all live under the same rock he doesGEORGIA GOV. BRIAN KEMP SAYS HE DIDN'T KNOW ASYMPTOMATIC PEOPLE COULD TRANSMIT CORONAVIRUS
Brian Kemp said he wasn't aware that asymptomatic people could transmit coronavirus as he announced he was preparing to issue a state-wide shelter-in-place order.
https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-go...mptomatic-people-transmit-coronavirus-1495695