That's quite the statement.This is the same British public whose behaviours have engineered amongst the very highest density of deaths per population on the planet.
That's quite the statement.This is the same British public whose behaviours have engineered amongst the very highest density of deaths per population on the planet.
A lot of that will be driven by the knowledge that they will close again at the drop of a hat. So people will see it as their one opportunity. I think opening and closing again is only making things worse. They need to make a decision and stick with it.I've spoken to a few people who live abroad about their situation.
They'll say restaurants and clubs and cinemas remain open, but nobody goes and most people choose to stay away from places by choice.
It is curious how we seem to have the attitude to flock places as soon as they open. But then, i can't say i'm guilt-free. I can't wait to do things again.
I don't think they will - if only because enforcement would be a massive issue. Can you imagine the reaction if a granny got fined for having both daughters visit over Christmas.I completely understand why they would review Christmas, but I hope they don't change it. To pull away being able to see family after not not seeing some of them all year at this short notice would be brutal.
You can only stick with it so far though. Look at Germany. Just had to close all shops the week before Christmas. Having closed restaurants/bars a few weeks before that.A lot of that will be driven by the knowledge that they will close again at the drop of a hat. So people will see it as their one opportunity. I think opening and closing again is only making things worse. They need to make a decision and stick with it.
So you chose not to see them when the infection rate was low, but you want to see them when infection rates are higher than they’ve ever been in many places.I completely understand why they would review Christmas, but I hope they don't change it. To pull away being able to see family after not not seeing some of them all year at this short notice would be brutal.
Thanks but i noticed the pet shop was open when we drove past, must be on the essential list.@Stanley Road - If they don't, I've found this Dutch site that sells it.
https://www.huisdierenbazaar.nl/hond/hondenvoer/adult/filter/canagan.html
Condescending much? You know precisely zero about the reasons why we couldn't see them when cases were low.So you chose not to see them when the infection rate was low, but you want to see them when infection rates are higher than they’ve ever been in many places.
You need to think long and hard about how you come to decisions like this.
I don’t think he was being condescending at all. In fact you should feel honoured someone cares enough to give you some advice!Condescending much? You know precisely zero about the reasons why we couldn't see them when cases were low.
I'm not a child, I don't need your tone.
He wasn't being condescending in any way. If you think seeing family is a good idea right now then nothing anyone can say is going to help you.Condescending much? You know precisely zero about the reasons why we couldn't see them when cases were low.
I'm not a child, I don't need your tone.
It’s absolute nonsense. In my school alone, there’s been 3 cases amongst staff in the last 14 days resulting in 2 classes being closed. The teachers morale is not good and everyone is tired. This government want to flog every last day out of them just because Martin promised schools would stay open.Ok, interesting. It does seem a bit nuts that we aren’t at least extending school xmas holidays. In Ireland they’ve done the opposite. Our kids (primary school) would usually finish up this week but they’re going back in next week until Wednesday (which I think is helping catch up on days missed during first lockdown?) Thus giving them a grand total of 48 hours between a day in the classroom and a day with their granny and grandad!
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Excellent advise. Stick that on a yellow poster Boris!So you chose not to see them when the infection rate was low, but you want to see them when infection rates are higher than they’ve ever been in many places.
You need to think long and hard about how you come to decisions like this.
I recognise that times have been tough. I appreciate the desire for you to see your family.
But you’re looking logic in the face and asking if it’s ok to piss on it. Or worse, you’ll piss on it if Boris tells you it’s ok.
Unless you’ve got some really robust isolation protocols in place for all attendees, are all healthy, and will be meeting in a space that’s extremely well ventilated, large enough to maintain distance at all times.... do not go and meet your family mate.
Don’t wait for this inept corrupt bunch to tell you what’s safe for your family. They don’t care if any of them die.
You’ve got 7-10 days to get all of your gang on board with something safe. Start today. Be honest with everyone, including yourself.
People should not be mixing inside homes for the next month or so, if not longer. We all know that. Some will do it anyway. Some safely. Some not.
Be safe. Be smarter than the Government.
Read the whole post and perhaps stop reacting like a child.Condescending much? You know precisely zero about the reasons why we couldn't see them when cases were low.
I'm not a child, I don't need your tone.
I agree with everything you say.It very clear that the county is not in a position where it should be relaxing the rules over Christmas. It's also very clear that the UK population wouldn't accept not being allowed to see family over Xmas, I mean even vulnerable people I know are planning on stretching(*Cough* breaking *Cough*) the relaxed rules for the xmas period. So while I think the government are idiots and have made a mess of the whole thing from start to finish, But I think the blame for the coming Christmas fiasco lies 90% with the general British population. Of course, us British people will still blame the government and never accept any blame our selves as that is unfortunately what we do in this country.
I dunno if anyone here lives in Germany? From what I understand they have infection rates lower than ours and are going into lockdown and the population seems to be accepting of it? Am I wrong? Cos I just can't imagine British people accepting of it.
That only works once, the government had more than enough data to know relaxing the rules and relying on common sense would cause this situation. Are the selfish idiots mostly to blame? Of course. Is the government to blame for not stopping the idiots ruining it for the rest of us? Absolutely.It very clear that the county is not in a position where it should be relaxing the rules over Christmas. It's also very clear that the UK population wouldn't accept not being allowed to see family over Xmas, I mean even vulnerable people I know are planning on stretching(*Cough* breaking *Cough*) the relaxed rules for the xmas period. So while I think the government are idiots and have made a mess of the whole thing from start to finish, But I think the blame for the coming Christmas fiasco lies 90% with the general British population. Of course, us British people will still blame the government and never accept any blame our selves as that is unfortunately what we do in this country.
I dunno if anyone here lives in Germany? From what I understand they have infection rates lower than ours and are going into lockdown and the population seems to be accepting of it? Am I wrong? Cos I just can't imagine British people accepting of it.
But the vast majority of people are being selfish can you imagine the outcry if the government said no 2 households are allowed to meet inside during xmas, (which probably should be the rule) It just wouldn't be accepted. Even most right-minded people I know don't seem to want to hear they can't see everyone they want to at xmas. The 'us' are in a tiny minorty, the vast majority of people will break the rules whatever they are over xmas. And when the vast majoirty of the population wants to do something, you have to blame the population, not the government.That only works once, the government had more than enough data to know relaxing the rules and relying on common sense would cause this situation. Are the selfish idiots mostly to blame? Of course. Is the government to blame for not stopping the idiots ruining it for the rest of us? Absolutely.
That said there's plenty of moments that are fully on the government. Trying to push people back in offices, the eat out to catch covid scheme, the tier system messaging. They've been a shambles, the furlough payments were the only thing they've done right and they still managed to cock that up for the North.
Changing plans and throwing away food sounds like a relatively small sacrifice vs accelerating an already growing spread at a time when hospital staff are desperately worried about managing the usual winter peak with an incoming covid peak.Too short notice to change the Xmas rules now - plans have been made, food bought, etc.
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Yeah I get that too. But the yo yoing in the UK can’t be helping. It’s a difficult choice to make but the way we’re doing it in Northern Ireland feels like the worst of both worlds at the minute.You can only stick with it so far though. Look at Germany. Just had to close all shops the week before Christmas. Having closed restaurants/bars a few weeks before that.
Is there/will there be usual winter peak this year in UK? Anyone have the stats so far? In Finland we have had 16 influenza cases so far, compared to around 1.000 cases this time last year. Obviously timing of the peaks vary from year to year a lot.Changing plans and throwing away food sounds like a relatively small sacrifice vs accelerating an already growing spread at a time when hospital staff are desperately worried about managing the usual winter peak with an incoming covid peak.
Common sense tells us there won’t be the usual winter influenza peak. And we’ve already seen this happen in the Southern hemisphere.Is there/will there be usual winter peak this year in UK? Anyone have the stats so far? In Finland we have had 16 influenza cases so far, compared to around 1.000 cases this time last year. Obviously timing of the peaks vary from year to year a lot.
One can only hope.Winter is coming for house Johnson.
Well obviously it should be different, I am wondering how different, since there are too many contacts between people in many countries. Numbers would be nice. And can't use data from Aus/Nz as they had far stricter restrictions and basicly no travel at all. If there is data from South America or South Africa then that's more comparable.Common sense tells us there won’t be the usual winter influenza peak. And we’ve already seen this happen in the Southern hemisphere.
But the governments mistake isn't the christmas period it's the lead up to it. All the experts said the lower tiers weren't enough to stop a rise and yet here we are talking about numbers being too high and what a crisis it will be when everyone ignores measures over Christmas.But the vast majority of people are being selfish can you imagine the outcry if the government said no 2 households are allowed to meet inside during xmas, (which probably should be the rule) It just wouldn't be accepted. Even most right-minded people I know don't seem to want to hear they can't see everyone they want to at xmas. The 'us' are in a tiny minorty, the vast majority of people will break the rules whatever they are over xmas. And when the vast majoirty of the population wants to do something, you have to blame the population, not the government.
The rest of your comments I agree with, though I think the government has been far to swayed by public opinion throughout the pandemic its seems to make its policy depending on who is complaining the loudest on any one given day. which has lead to an absolute mess. But year Furlough scheme one thing they have vaguely got right.
I remember wondering about South American winter experiences during June/July/August and couldn’t find anything useful.Well obviously it should be different, I am wondering how different, since there are too many contacts between people in many countries. Numbers would be nice. And can't use data from Aus/Nz as they had far stricter restrictions and basicly no travel at all. If there is data from South America or South Africa then that's more comparable.
Italy has overtaken the UK again for most deaths in Europe. Barely anything in the media about it. The BBC haven't even covered it.And yet I see feck all on the media or news there about how bad it is, even on the BBC it's barely mentioned. Yet when Italy and Spain were at their peak all your saw was stories about the horror over there. Shocking.
In mid winter we had 400 fewer deaths per month this year. Partly lockdown and masks/distancing and part a bigger flu vaccine uptake - shots ordered rose from 7.2m in 2017 to 18m this year.Common sense tells us there won’t be the usual winter influenza peak. And we’ve already seen this happen in the Southern hemisphere.
I wouldn't think so, but I would consider the nurses and doctors' worries to be legitimate all the same. Their worst-case scenario seems very unlikely from my perspective, but given how bad that worst case scenario is, I can understand why they are asking for a Christmas lockdown to minimise that possibility. It's still an unknown how people are going to act over Christmas, which leaves open the possibility of a significant sudden spike that has just been artificially maintained by social distancing.Is there/will there be usual winter peak this year in UK? Anyone have the stats so far? In Finland we have had 16 influenza cases so far, compared to around 1.000 cases this time last year. Obviously timing of the peaks vary from year to year a lot.
Also...PHE Respiratory Illnesses Weekly Surveillance Report said:Surveillance indicators suggest that COVID-19 activity at a national level has plateaued during week 49. There is currently limited testing for other respiratory viruses, however, laboratory indicators suggest that influenza activity is low.
But yeah I don't know of any wider data!PHE Respiratory Illnesses Weekly Surveillance Report said:Influenza vaccine uptake is 78.5% in people aged 65 years + which is the highest uptake ever achieved. Uptake in 2 and 3 year children is the highest ever recorded. For those in at-risk groups uptake is higher than the same time in the last three seasons. For pregnant women uptake is higher than the same time last season
It’s what they have done all along.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55325621
Well! Who didn’t see this coming...
- Give everyone a month of Christmas spending, thinking they’ll be able to spend it with their families
- A week or two beforehand let it be known they’ll need to strengthen the Christmas rules but be non-committal about it
- By the end of this week / Monday they confirm that, following the science, they cannot allow households to mix again
I think that was traced back to an adjutant that we have stopped using so a reoccurrence is unlikely, but even if it wasn't I'd take a very slightly increased chance of getting narcolepsy over the very high risk of getting severe symptoms from covid. And of course there is a 50:50 chance that the person who got narcolepsy would have got it anyway.Short answer: no.
That particular manufacturer's vaccine saw a doubling in the narcolepsy rate, amongst those who took it, it went up to 1:50000 as opposed to 1:100000 who would get diagnosed with it in a normal year. In a clinical trial - statistically speaking at that level, you might not see any cases of it at all, and you won't have enough cases to see a pattern.
Longer answer: in countries where swine flu spread rapidly, the rate of narcolepsy cases also went up and at a similar rate.
It's important to note that the reason why that story is discussed is that it is because it's a rarity. There have been hundreds of new vaccine formulations since then, and billions of vaccinations. Serious vaccine side-effects are rare, that's why the same incidents are talked about a lot.
It's like a lot of things in life unfortunately - there's a risk analysis to be done. We know the lack of a vaccine has already killed about 1:1000 of the population in the UK, and that's despite us living with some pretty miserable restrictions. I don't believe any approved vaccine will kill or cause longterm harm to 1:1000 of the people taking it, I don't even believe it will do it to 1:10000.
Beyond that (as we start to talk about 1:100000 or 1 in a million) we won't know for sure until more people take it. We do know what will happen if people keep getting covid though - a lot of deaths, a massive overload on the health service, and a large number of people with long-lasting illness.