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I don't care about players losing the ball if they are trying something, I don't believe he did anything blindly and was responsible for one of the better openings of that first half.Really? He lost the ball at least 3-4 times in the first half and ran into players blindly while trying to dribble.
Thought he was bang average in the first half - didn't see the second half so cannot comment.
Yeah, losing the ball while trying to play a through ball or trying something outrageous is fine but he lost it while trying to play simple passes or a simple dribble near the half way line.I don't care about players losing the ball if they are trying something, I don't believe he did anything blindly and was responsible for one of the better openings of that first half.
He’s not going to get any football at wba either. They’re in a relegation battle and will probably be out of the cup this weekend tooAlmost as pointless as keeping him as as a sixth option for two midfield places. If we draw a top team on Monday I can't see him getting any minutes until the end of the season, especially now that Carrick and Fellaini are back.
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At 21 Fletcher had shown a lot more in his game than McTominay, he had a good passing range and crossing ability and box-to-box energy. He scored that winner against Chelsea at 21 and had been trusted to start matches like the FA Cup semifinal against Arsenal at 20.Surprised people are writing him off so early.
Can anyone tell me what Fletcher was better at than McTominay at the same age?
Fletcher was very highly regarded within Old Trafford as a teenager. He was primed to make his debut at 15(?), which would've made him our youngest ever footballer by a long way, but Ferguson couldn't put him on as somebody got injured and we had to use a different third sub to solve that problem.Surprised people are writing him off so early.
Can anyone tell me what Fletcher was better at than McTominay at the same age?
I agree. I never thought he was anything special but he has impressed in his opportunities in the first team so far.Reflected on it and I guess as a DM, the attributes are there. The issue for me is I can't see the technical ability. I get the feeling if he was 'smaller', he wouldn't be in there.
Can't argue with that aside from we know our expectations of the youth players need to be higher than the Felliani role or 'useful'? I want to see the next Pogba or Carrick than the next Felliani....I agree. I never thought he was anything special but he has impressed in his opportunities in the first team so far.
The unusual thing about McTominay is that until quite recently he was smaller (and quite significantly so). If he is going to improve as a player he needs to add more to his game. To me that is goals from midfield. He shows good composure in attacking areas and was unlucky not to score at Yeovil.
I don't think he really uses his physique very well just now. It's not surprising because for most of his career it wasn't any great strength. If he can play the "Fellaini role" in the squad, he'll be a very useful squad member.
Sorry, don't want to crap on your post, just curious.. What makes you think he will be a top player? I've seen nothing of that sort.Quiet one tonight, expected a bit more. I still believe he is going to be a top player.
I'm happy to say Lingard proved me wrong, but for every Lingard there is a Daron Gibson, Richardson and Blackett who just aren't good enough. Mctominay doesn't look like a bad player by any stretch, I think he looks OK. But sometimes in life there are levels, and I don't think Mctominay's level is United in what he has shown us so far.Type of players like McTominay will always get a lot of stick on RedCafe. It was the same with Fletcher and Evans. Lingard too got way to much critisism.
In Lingards case, you would think that people would be a bit careful considering that three different managers, Ferguson, van Gaal and Mourinho, has expressed and shown a lot of faith in the player. Considering how much more these men have seen from Lingard, and how much more experience they have in evaluating players, it borders to outright stupidity to slash him of in the manner some did.
On another note, the need some people feel to slash a player of based on limited minutes (90, 180 or even 500 is quite limited) strikes me as clueless.
I consequently believe that it is inevtiable that the same people will go for McTominay, claiming he is Championship-level or similar. I think he did okay yesterday. In general he was more or less at the same level as Herrera and Carrick. He made a few mistakes, but at this surface you would expect that. At 21 and with no game rythm we should accept it.
He seems like an intelligent player with good movement of the ball (both when we are in possession and when we are not). He recently finished his growth spurt, and looks underdevloped physically. Mourinho likes him and believe in him. The other players like him and believe in him. Why not give him the benefit of a bit of time?
Agree plus look at the team he was attempting to break into at that age!! Scott is fortunate that he's one of the best of a very, very poor generation of Utd youth players. The U23 team is the worst I've watched since watch Utd youth team football whilst Gomes is one of a crop of exciting U18 we've seen for a long time.At 21 Fletcher had shown a lot more in his game than McTominay, he had a good passing range and crossing ability and box-to-box energy. He scored that winner against Chelsea at 21 and had been trusted to start matches like the FA Cup semifinal against Arsenal at 20.
I know what you mean but there's the problem, we should be thinking can he be a first team starter than a squad playerI thought he was better than Herrera today, he'll become a very good squad player for us.
Do they? Obviously, it would be great if they became top class key players in the side, but there's nothing wrong with players coming through the youth system to be useful squad players. Fergie had many in that category over the years.Can't argue with that aside from we know our expectations of the youth players need to be higher than the Felliani role or 'useful'? I want to see the next Pogba or Carrick than the next Felliani....
Not one player at Utd was bought or bought through as squad players. If you did, you'd never sign players or attract good young un's. Also one injury and your squad player becomes first team player and therefore as to be of that quality. In the past we had players that weren't starting but would have been elsewhere. Not being too negative about the lad but if he was starting for Swansea, there's not one person on here would be saying sign him up as he's one for the future.Do they? Obviously, it would be great if they became top class key players in the side, but there's nothing wrong with players coming through the youth system to be useful squad players. Fergie had many in that category over the years.
I think "useful squad player" is McTominay's level. Jose loves that player he can bring on for his physicality at both ends of the pitch. If McTominay can fill that role, fantastic.
Not every player in the squad can be starting, he'll be a John O'Shea.I know what you mean but there's the problem, we should be thinking can he be a first team starter than a squad player
By "squad player", I don't mean a rubbish player who is only ever on the bench. I mean a player who plays a distinct role in the squad.Not one player at Utd was bought or bought through as squad players. If you did, you'd never sign players or attract good young un's. Also one injury and your squad player becomes first team player and therefore as to be of that quality. In the past we had players that weren't starting but would have been elsewhere. Not being too negative about the lad but if he was starting for Swansea, there's not one person on here would be saying sign him up as he's one for the future.
That said, Jose likes him so must be something there......
Still, some of the criticism these players receive seems way over the top. The lack of patience and eagerness to conclude on their abilities or chances in Man Utd in the long term seems very odd. Almost stupid, actually.I'm happy to say Lingard proved me wrong, but for every Lingard there is a Daron Gibson, Richardson and Blackett who just aren't good enough. Mctominay doesn't look like a bad player by any stretch, I think he looks OK. But sometimes in life there are levels, and I don't think Mctominay's level is United in what he has shown us so far.
