I think they are the same.
Shamima Begum, IS teen wants to come back to the UK
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
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Shamima Begum, who fled the UK and joined the Islamic State group, was smuggled into Syria by an intelligence agent for Canada.
Files seen by the BBC show he claimed to have shared Ms Begum's passport details with Canada, and smuggled other Britons to fight for IS.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62726954.amp
Files seen by the BBC show he claimed to have shared Ms Begum's passport details with Canada, and smuggled other Britons to fight for IS.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62726954.amp
Does "agent" mean the same as "asset"? This made me think a Canadian intel official was doing the smuggling based on the terminology. Reading the article though, it seems to have been a guy who turned informant.
From a legal perspective if she was trafficked as a child I think that is problematic for the home office... well more specifically should be but patel won't care
So what’s gonna happen to that guy?
So basically she was groomed and then trafficked.
What evidence is there that she was trafficked? She needed this dudes help who was an informant to get to Syria, but I haven't read anything about her being forced / coerced into going? Brainwashed sure... but trafficked?
Are we the baddies? 
is she dead?
15 years old is a clue.
insofar as we use fundamentalism as a rallying call to suit gepolitical goals and then wash our hands of all the problems it creates... nay, protest from on high about how terrible fundamentalism is, yes, in that respect "we" are the baddies. we used begum and people like her in syria to push against assad and russia. it looks like in this case we endorsed child trafficking and then turned around and said "you can't be a citizen because all of that stuff we wanted you to do was and is too awful". we then use papers to create false images to keep people ignorant about how such things work.Are we the baddies?
the roles played by certain western countries in syria over the past decade have been a disgrace. russia is known for its cruelty in that conflict, and rightly, but let's not pretend we didn't try to exploit a fundamentalist powder keg at every single turn, with the american president himself, two of them in fact, even openly admitting it.
nothing will happen here because "national security".
Yes, but I’m sure Canada’s already apologized for it.Are we the baddies?
I'm just amazed that CSIS did something.
Shocked she hasn't been bumped off yet.
Her lawyers might think it paints a sympathetic picture but nobody's buying that.
I feel so sorry for her. What a miserable life she’s had.
I believe they think it shows a different legal status that a judge may care about
Think most people have made their mind up about this case and appealing to the public isn't an advisable strategy from her team
It's such an emotive case that the Home Office will make sure she never comes back. Her only hope is if a very left wing government gets in someday.
Yeah, which seemed obvious the entire time. But a young brown girl who made the mistake of her life shouldn't be allowed back in the country.
Some of the press is showing the human side of her now including in pictures, which was completely missed out before. There's definitely a change in the way bits of the media are telling the story.
Forgot all about this waster I'm Surprised nobody has took her out yet.
Perhaps they will just ship her off to Rwanda
So why should a 22 year woman in a refugee camp be killed?
I meant before when she was running about with Isis.
So you’d rather a teenager that was groomed and trafficked be killed?
By groomed you mean deciding she wanted to join a Nazi state that was carrying out a genocide and throwing homosexuals to their death? Something she was well aware of going in, believed in and still casually talks about without any hint of remorse.
Yeah, cause that's what grooming is. In the same way you wouldn't blame a 13 year old girl who was groomed into meeting and having sex with a sex offender.
So you think she should be killed as well?
Said it before. Bring her and her family back, if she's committed crimes prove it and let her face real and proportionate justice.
What family? Her husband is in jail in France (I think), her children are all dead, her dad is a Bangladeshi national/citizen.
I think it’s only her mum and siblings that she has any relationship with and they’re all in the UK.
I hadn't heard all of her children had died. That's terrible.
Her last child died about a month after being born.
Surely the key thing is her age when all this occurred? Whether she was groomed/trafficked, or she just thought it was a good idea at the time, at 15 she could not really have been fully aware of what she was going to be involved in!
Given all that's happened to her, 'living multiple lives in one skin', so to speak, is she sorry for what she did, does she show remorse and if she does is it genuine?
This is for the Home Office to determine, if she is genuine then on balance she should be shown some leniency and allowed back, but under strict rules that ensure any return to former sympathies would revoke her permit to stay.
Given all that's happened to her, 'living multiple lives in one skin', so to speak, is she sorry for what she did, does she show remorse and if she does is it genuine?
This is for the Home Office to determine, if she is genuine then on balance she should be shown some leniency and allowed back, but under strict rules that ensure any return to former sympathies would revoke her permit to stay.
I think any ISIL member returning to these shores should be prosecuted for the murders they participated in as a collective. They're all war criminals.
I actually do prefer having their citizenship revoked after they chose instead to be citizens of a Nazi state so A) the taxpayer doesn't pay for them B) They're not a danger of indoctorinating others British citizens their death ****.
If a 15yo was groomed into a gang that collectively killed people they would be tried for multiple murders. That's what she's done, in aiding and abetting a genocide, she's not merely had sex with someone
That's very sad. Its a shame that we as a nation have decided to be vindictive against her
I really don't understand this argument. Every country has prisons filled with people who are not sorry for bad things they did, and all countries have citizens who did bad things and are not sorry, yet they walk around freely after being in prison or not being convicted of something. Why is this young woman any different?
Take her to court, accuse her of whatever crimes you think she committed, and either send her to jail or let her go, depending on the outcome of the trial.
The UK treating her as some sort of super villain is really embarrassing.
I don’t buy that one bit.
“Ms Begum said she made the choice to go to Syria and could make her own decisions, despite being only 15 at the time. She said she was partly inspired by videos of fighters beheading hostages and also by videos showing "the good life" under IS.
She watched videos of the murders of British hostages, she told the BBC, but said she did not know the names of any of the victims.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47276572
It’s sad for the baby.
Feck this bitch! Should never step foot on British soil ever again.
10/10 would smash the People's princess.