Gehrman
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I think they are the same.Which one? The Christian one or the Muslim one?
I think they are the same.Which one? The Christian one or the Muslim one?
Does "agent" mean the same as "asset"? This made me think a Canadian intel official was doing the smuggling based on the terminology. Reading the article though, it seems to have been a guy who turned informant.Shamima Begum, who fled the UK and joined the Islamic State group, was smuggled into Syria by an intelligence agent for Canada.
Files seen by the BBC show he claimed to have shared Ms Begum's passport details with Canada, and smuggled other Britons to fight for IS.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62726954.amp
Does "agent" mean the same as "asset"? This made me think a Canadian intel official was doing the smuggling based on the terminology. Reading the article though, it seems to have been a guy who turned informant.
From a legal perspective if she was trafficked as a child I think that is problematic for the home office... well more specifically should be but patel won't careRasheed said that in 2013 he had gone to the Canadian Embassy in Jordan to try to apply for asylum. He said: "They told me they were going to grant me my Canadian citizenship if I collect information about the activities of ISIS."
The BBC has been able to confirm that Rasheed passed in and out of Jordan multiple times between 2013 and his arrest in 2015.
Tasnime Akunjee, the lawyer for the Begum family, said there will be a legal hearing in November to challenge the removal of Ms Begum's citizenship and "one of the main arguments" will be that then-Home Secretary Sajid Javid did not consider that she was a victim of trafficking.
"The UK has international obligations as to how we view a trafficked person and what culpability we prescribe to them for their actions," he said.
Mr Akunjee said it was "shocking" that a Canadian intelligence asset was a key part of the smuggling operation - "someone who is supposed to be an ally, protecting our people, rather than trafficking British children into a war zone".
15 years old is a clue.What evidence is there that she was trafficked? She needed this dudes help who was an informant to get to Syria, but I haven't read anything about her being forced / coerced into going? Brainwashed sure... but trafficked?
insofar as we use fundamentalism as a rallying call to suit gepolitical goals and then wash our hands of all the problems it creates... nay, protest from on high about how terrible fundamentalism is, yes, in that respect "we" are the baddies. we used begum and people like her in syria to push against assad and russia. it looks like in this case we endorsed child trafficking and then turned around and said "you can't be a citizen because all of that stuff we wanted you to do was and is too awful". we then use papers to create false images to keep people ignorant about how such things work.Are we the baddies?
Yes, but I’m sure Canada’s already apologized for it.Are we the baddies?
I'm just amazed that CSIS did something.Yes, but I’m sure Canada’s already apologized for it.
Her lawyers might think it paints a sympathetic picture but nobody's buying that.From a legal perspective if she was trafficked as a child I think that is problematic for the home office... well more specifically should be but patel won't care
I believe they think it shows a different legal status that a judge may care aboutHer lawyers might think it paints a sympathetic picture but nobody's buying that.
It's such an emotive case that the Home Office will make sure she never comes back. Her only hope is if a very left wing government gets in someday.I believe they think it shows a different legal status that a judge may care about
Think most people have made their mind up about this case and appealing to the public isn't an advisable strategy from her team
Yeah, which seemed obvious the entire time. But a young brown girl who made the mistake of her life shouldn't be allowed back in the country.So basically she was groomed and then trafficked.
Perhaps they will just ship her off to RwandaIt's such an emotive case that the Home Office will make sure she never comes back. Her only hope is if a very left wing government gets in someday.
So why should a 22 year woman in a refugee camp be killed?Forgot all about this waster I'm Surprised nobody has took her out yet.
I meant before when she was running about with Isis.So why should a 22 year woman in a refugee camp be killed?
So you’d rather a teenager that was groomed and trafficked be killed?I meant before when she was running about with Isis.
By groomed you mean deciding she wanted to join a Nazi state that was carrying out a genocide and throwing homosexuals to their death? Something she was well aware of going in, believed in and still casually talks about without any hint of remorse.So you’d rather a teenager that was groomed and trafficked be killed?
Yeah, cause that's what grooming is. In the same way you wouldn't blame a 13 year old girl who was groomed into meeting and having sex with a sex offender.By groomed you mean deciding she wanted to join a Nazi state that was carrying out a genocide and throwing homosexuals to their death? Something she was well aware of going in, believed in and still casually talks about without any hint of remorse.
So you think she should be killed as well?By groomed you mean deciding she wanted to join a Nazi state that was carrying out a genocide and throwing homosexuals to their death? Something she was well aware of going in, believed in and still casually talks about without any hint of remorse.
What family? Her husband is in jail in France (I think), her children are all dead, her dad is a Bangladeshi national/citizen.Said it before. Bring her and her family back, if she's committed crimes prove it and let her face real and proportionate justice.
I hadn't heard all of her children had died. That's terrible.What family? Her husband is in jail in France (I think), her children are all dead, her dad is a Bangladeshi national/citizen.
I think it’s only her mum and siblings that she has any relationship with and they’re all in the UK.
Her last child died about a month after being born.I hadn't heard all of her children had died. That's terrible.
I think any ISIL member returning to these shores should be prosecuted for the murders they participated in as a collective. They're all war criminals.So you think she should be killed as well?
If a 15yo was groomed into a gang that collectively killed people they would be tried for multiple murders. That's what she's done, in aiding and abetting a genocide, she's not merely had sex with someoneYeah, cause that's what grooming is. In the same way you wouldn't blame a 13 year old girl who was groomed into meeting and having sex with a sex offender.
That's very sad. Its a shame that we as a nation have decided to be vindictive against herHer last child died about a month after being born.
I really don't understand this argument. Every country has prisons filled with people who are not sorry for bad things they did, and all countries have citizens who did bad things and are not sorry, yet they walk around freely after being in prison or not being convicted of something. Why is this young woman any different?is she sorry for what she did, does she show remorse and if she does is it genuine?
I don’t buy that one bit.at 15 she could not really have been fully aware of what she was going to be involved in!
It’s sad for the baby.That's very sad. Its a shame that we as a nation have decided to be vindictive against her