But you are taking a very small sample of 3-4 games, albeit against good opposition, to prove a point. Spurs had an equally rough patch a few weeks back when they struggled against Newport as well. So the thing is form will fluctuate over the course of a season. Spurs are in the middle of a very good run and excellent form. However that's all that it is. More than half the season has gone and we are comfortably ahead of them and second in the league. Yes we have had our own dip too but so far this season, which isn't really embryonic so as to not draw some conclusions, we have been the better team.
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4 points? Is nothing with 11 games to go.
But then I never said they aren't a good team or don't have good players. Kane is one of the best strikers in the world and they have some really classy players. However they have nothing to show for so far for their efforts.
Also, never compared then to City. Just to us. You know, another team who haven't done done too bad using their own resources.
Well we are still one loss and a draw away from going behind you. Agreed it's not huge but it's still not small either. Let's put it this way - I would rather be 4 points ahead than behind.
Fully deserved for a really talented squad and a really good manager.
Today in the office I've been talking with a colleague and he said that Kane is overrated (1st sign he doesn't understand anything about football) and he said Spurs won't get more than 100m if they sell him.
He also states that Juventus should have won the game and they deserved to win it.. so that explains everything.
IMO Spurs have done a really nice job these last years. They just miss to win some silverware..
Today in the office I've been talking with a colleague and he said that Kane is overrated (1st sign he doesn't understand anything about football) and he said Spurs won't get more than 100m if they sell him.
He also states that Juventus should have won the game and they deserved to win it.. so that explains everything.
IMO Spurs have done a really nice job these last years. They just miss to win some silverware..
For me they've got two world class performing players at the moment in Kane and Erikksen and thats always going to make the difference.
I'd say we have one and he's only been here a few weeks. If our system is so bad and there's so good I'd expect more from them as the rest of the team is equal for me.
Spurs were excellent last night and was a really enjoyable game. What I liked in particular from Spurs was that even when they were 2 down, They remained calm and took the game to Juventus while maintaining the game plan and shape, whereas alot of teams would of completely fell to pieces once that happened. They are certainly on the rise that is for sure.
Fair points, I don't have a problem with any of that apart from that I wouldn't call four points comfortable given our respective form.
All my post said is that Spurs are a better team than us at the moment, I'd put them as a better bet than us for the CL but there are caveats that stop me short of waxing lyrical about their future title chances.
I would say they are the more in-form team compared to us. But that can change very quickly as we have seen.
I don't really agree with that particularly. I mean for a start on recent form I think Vertonghen is on a level with the likes of Eriksen and Kane, who I assume you are referring to. Sanchez might be in that class, as might Pogba, and De Gea certainly is, but neither Sanchez not Pogba are in great form just now. The likes of Lloris, Alli, Dembele are not exactly far behind either. They have a slight weak spot at full back - Aurier, Trippier, Rose and Davies are all better going forward than they are at defending - but then we have some of the same problem. More to the point teams aren't built on how many players you have in some arbitrary category. We need to find and largely stick with a shape that works for the players we have - we haven't found it at the moment. And we need key players like Pogba fully fit and firing.
Not fully discounting the importance of system but if there's one difference maker, SAF always showed us and the league history in general is that adding a world class striker to a team works 95% of the time.
If you don't have that you need a perfect system to make up for it, which we clearly don't have. Sanchez next season may be that attacker for us (hopefully)
They really did pull it out of the bag. Credit to spurs.
Underrated player by many fans and pundits.Extremely mature performance tonight. They were dominating 90% of the match. Had Juve defending in their half most of the game. Eriksen and Dembele were on another level. Nobody could get near them.
Comparing it to United middle I would say Matic can do the Dier work on a better level, Pogba could do what Dembele is doing all we need is a world class playmaker in the Eriksen mould and more positive attacking attitude.
Remember the time when people said that Spurs wasted all the money they received from the Bale transfer!
I'd say Eriksen on his own has repaid the entire amount they spent that summer.
I'd say Eriksen on his own has repaid the entire amount they spent that summer.
You can't judge all teams by the same yardstick, Spurs have done very well for their level of spending both on transfers and wages. A par performance for this spurs team would be around the 5-6th position and making the CL consistently is an achievement. The fact that they now look to be progressing to the knockout stages and mixing it with the top European sides is a magnificent achievement and should be applauded, trophies or no trophies. If they consistently perform at this level then you can say that the expectations are changed and they should now aim for trophies, but they're not there yet. Right now, yesterday's performance would be the pinnacle of their progress.
Some result and performance and unlucky not to win the game, can defo see them beating them in the second leg. considering some of the players they had missing makes it even more impressive. will be interesting to see how they go in the next few seasons with keeping the manager and star players and with the move to the new stadium. still could be looking at finishing 2nd this season, certainly the form team in the battle from 2-5/6 positions
I was responding to the nauseous claim and how I don't really get it. It's not like Spurs are our biggest rival. Or a team that was lower PL or Championship level until some oil money came in.
They've won nothing yet, of course. But you have to judge them differently to us. It's a punching above your weight story. Similar to Sarri & the praise he gets at Napoli. He's won nothing either but you got to admire the job he is doing and the journey Napoli have been on under his management.
And Lamela was also bought from that money.
Exactly this. Very good side, peaking at the right time. Looking more and more assured each season under Poch, who is probably the best manager in the League, along with Pep.
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They look capable of doing something we aren't able to atm. To regroup and show a bit more creativity and extra desire to get back into the game after going 2-0. With us, as soon as the opposition score we shit the bed or deflate into a "this is not our day" mentality.
This. I have never seen us make a comeback even after going 1-0 down away to average teams let alone big teams. It's a huge worry if you ask me. I don't think we play as a team when attacking. WE Defend as a team but we don't attack as a team.
Glad to see Spurs taking it to the big teams in Europe.
Enjoyed the game last night, but Juve were missing a few big names. If they're back for the second leg it will be some game to watch.
Enjoyed the game last night, but Juve were missing a few big names. If they're back for the second leg it will be some game to watch.
2:2 on the road is a fantastic result
75/25 to make it imo, I'm not aware about Juve's injured players coming back or not though
75/25 to make it imo, I'm not aware about Juve's injured players coming back or not though
For 30m I'd say he his performances have just justified his transfer fee, if at all. At his best, he has been a treat to watch but we haven't seen him at that level for a prolonged period.
Well coached side with few very good players. Not surprised when they do perform well. It’s still a bit off from being a top side that will be favourites to win trophies regularly. So hopefully Poch fecks off.
2-0 against Us
2-2 against Liverpool
1-0 against Arsenal
2-2 against Juventus
That's some good set of results for Tottenham. I remember when people were making jokes at there torrid set of fixtures, but they really have stood up to it and delivered when it mattered.
2-2 against Liverpool
1-0 against Arsenal
2-2 against Juventus
That's some good set of results for Tottenham. I remember when people were making jokes at there torrid set of fixtures, but they really have stood up to it and delivered when it mattered.
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4-1 against Newcastle back in November. So yeah.
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They certainly looked like they were going to score all night.
However, what if that 2nd penalty went in from Higuain? 3-1 vs 2-1 at halftime is a completely different chat. But, it wasn't and Spurs played a fantastic 2nd half and deservedly got that 2nd goal.
Dybala and Barzagli should definitely be back for the second leg. Matuidi and Cuadrado will both be a toss-up, I think.
They had 2 shots in the entire second half. One an adventurous 30 yard attempt from Kane straight at Buffon. They were very impressive for the way they controlled the game and shut juventus down after the equalizer, but they were never even trying to score after that. Second half until the 2-2 juventus were on top and had 2 very big chances to make it 3-1.
It was an impressive and impressively mature performance from them, kinda like what they did at the bernabeu, but aside from a 20 minute stretch in the first half(when they were chasing the game), it was a masterclass in defending a result. The 2-2 came against the run of play
Spurs dominated them in every department in Turin, i can see it being even more comfortable at Wembley, but I hope Dybela is back, just to see what excuse is when Spurs do get the business done.
It's obvious Spurs will score at Wembley, i don't think it's so obvious Juventus will even at full strength, they are a defensive team by nature all said and done, they have to attack though and that means they are tailor made for Spurs on the counter and on a big pitch like Wembley, i can see them struggling.
It's obvious Spurs will score at Wembley, i don't think it's so obvious Juventus will even at full strength, they are a defensive team by nature all said and done, they have to attack though and that means they are tailor made for Spurs on the counter and on a big pitch like Wembley, i can see them struggling.
Spurs played really well last night , great comeback . Probably blow it at home in the second leg now , that is the kind of thing Spurs do .
We have Chelsea and Pool soon which will be massive games where Spurs have a fairly easy 5-6 games till they see Chelsea. Those games for us are always massive but even more so now. We are in a battle for 4th. Hopefully we win our two big games.
The good thing is we have those two games at home. I can see us getting six points out of those games. As I said, form can turn real quick as we have already seen this season. So all this waxing lyrical about Spurs should wait at least till they are still 5th.
Hard not to respect Pochettino. Would love him at United eventually. He's done a blinding job at Spurs
I really dislike spurs but love Pochettino and Kane for some reason.
That's the thing, with teams like PSG, Man City and the instant money clubs I dont understand the dislike for Spurs, for individual players absolutely(Alli), but the team as a whole? They turned over RM over two legs, sure RM havnt been in their usual pomp but for a smaller club like Spurs its certainly an achievement. I thought they looked like the home team against Juventus second half and being 2 down didnt seem to phase them.
And I agree with enjoying watching smaller teams take it to the superstar squads out there assembled for ludicrous levels of money. As an example the list of Manchester City's spending on defense compared to some countries
When was the last time they actually took a decent hiding like a 4-1 or 4-0 under Poch? Even when they were not in this rich vein of form, im struggling to recall them taking a beating.
And I agree with enjoying watching smaller teams take it to the superstar squads out there assembled for ludicrous levels of money. As an example the list of Manchester City's spending on defense compared to some countries
When was the last time they actually took a decent hiding like a 4-1 or 4-0 under Poch? Even when they were not in this rich vein of form, im struggling to recall them taking a beating.
Also with our inconsistent form. Spurs are turning it up right now and so are Liverpool.
Absolutely hated watching Spurs take the game to one of the heavyweights of Europe in their own backyard. The crisp, quick and decisive passing, composed first touches, smart turns under pressure. I'm envious of the football they play.
Now, I'm sure someone is going to mention their league position and trophy haul in the past few seasons compared to ours, but that's not the point. Even though we have won a cup and Europa and are second in the league, it does not take an expert to see that Spurs are on the right track in terms of their style of play, as opposed to us who look directionless and panic when we have the ball.
Now, I'm sure someone is going to mention their league position and trophy haul in the past few seasons compared to ours, but that's not the point. Even though we have won a cup and Europa and are second in the league, it does not take an expert to see that Spurs are on the right track in terms of their style of play, as opposed to us who look directionless and panic when we have the ball.