I know but I just find it interesting that a lot of animals don't really fit the stereotypes. Donkeys aren't clumsy, that's why we use them to transport heavy loads on difficult terrains.
The "lazy black player" stereotype
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I don't think it has anything to do with race. We're playing garbage so everyone is going slated. Matic and Fellani who both white get the most abuse.
Lukaku has been awful this year, I don't get why people think he's get criticised for being black. He's get criticised for his performances. No one cares about the colour of anyone's skin.
Lukaku has been awful this year, I don't get why people think he's get criticised for being black. He's get criticised for his performances. No one cares about the colour of anyone's skin.
That is not whatbis being said. Its the type of critisism players get that is in question. Lukaku wasn’t the best example but the OP has a point.
It's because of the actual history of racism which has involved justifying slavery and other oppression on the basis that black people are a less than fully human, closer to apes etc. If black people had historically been subject to psuedoscientific claims that they were genetically more similar to some other animal then the politics of name calling would be different.
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Martial to me is an intelligent player but for some would be dumb if their reference point is someone like Hazard or Sane or Mane or Neymar etc and I don't think it's right to call those who call martial unintelligent as racists(I agree that there may be actual racists but not everyone who calls Martial unintelligent are racists). for what its worth I call Rashford unintelligent, does that make me racist?
Lukaku is called unintelligent because of the lack of runs and movement, it has nothing to do with skin colour. OP is just creating a racist narrative.
Ya, I know that. But that was something I learnt much later in life.
It isn't something I'd post because of the racist undertones. But it isn't an inaccurate statement. Is it motivated by being a racist? Only the poster knows that.
I didn't call anyone racist. What I said has racist undertones in the categorisation of black players when criticising into 3 main categories:
Lazy
Attitude problem
Unintelligent.
It doesn't matter how much that is repeated though, people will still come with singular examples that buck the trend. How about go and look at the trend.
Just read the original comment, pretty deplorable. The poster has been around a while and is chums with some mods so obviously won’t be banned for it.
There an actual racist post and he wasn't banned???
So black players should never be called lazy or unintelligent even if they are?
Where the feck did I say that?
You can accuse Lukaku of being lazy but why bring the Gorilla into it?
Is the comment still in the thread?
Yup
Does anyone find him being compared to a Donkey racist?
Gone now
It's the elephant in the room!
I don't personally.
It's used freely to describe a player who's a bit cumbersome and lacking mobility. I called the likes of Ricky Lambert and a few others donkeys for their lack of pace.
It was GE and I think there’s someone in this thread who has quoted it on the last few pages
I think Scholes use to get called a ferret due to his size, busy style of play and also possibly due to his hair and skin tone
Wider question fir the CAF - Is that racist?
I don't think there is a stereotype is there? Kante isn't called lazy because he's black. I do, however, think a lot of the subconscious discontent for Pogba comes from his flashiness outside of football, and the seeming desire to be in the spotlight, for e.g being photographed at celebrity awards and with celebrities in his down time.
No because it has no racist connotations historical or otherwise. As stated above it's a term applied across the board
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You might be offended if you'r a ferret.
I'd say no. There's no history of white people being referred to as a ferret. @Barca84 does have a glimmer of a point, even if he was way too hysterical in the original thread.
Why don't you actually check if he's been banned before spouting shit?
Beyond obvious that it isn't. White people in our society do not have a history of suffering oppression justified by their alleged genetic similarity to ferrets. This is the kind of example that suggests some people haven't given a moment's thought to the lived reality of racism and just see it as some kind of annoying technicality.
This is the case, and white players (Beckham, Ronaldo) got this criticism too. But the difference is you tend to see it a lot more with players like Pogba, Sterling, Depay etc. Almost like they shouldn't be getting above their station. For all the criticism around Becks and Ronaldo, you still had straight blokes saying fair fecks to the handsome buggers.
Out of interest, are there any white stereotypes about black people, and if so what are they?
Great contribution.
Thank goodness we have good people like yourself focusing on the real actual racism.
This was my main point, yes. Racism of a minority does not indicate institutionalized racism across the board. It happened in the Lukaku thread, one poster makes a disgusting comment, then someone comes out and brands the entire thread racist. Why can't that one poster/person be judged without this ''black players are treated differently to white players'' claims that can't actually be backed up statistically.
To be fair Jippy I did and the profile is still visible?
Arguing with another member
More than a glimmer pal. The thing with casual racism 2 man is that it's all over the shop. Just a few comments from that thread -
His player performance thread is a mine of such comments also.
A lot of white lads getting very worked up in here.
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Well calling him a lazy donkey comes from the childrens story. But you seem insistent when he's called lazy it's racist
This is the animal I've settled on actually when hurling abuse at him. Hopefully it isn't racist!
I think it's been asked and in some way answered.
Animal similes are widespread throughout literature. Shakespeare;Tamora is called a 'heinous Tiger' in Titus Andronicus. Comparisons which do the animal a disservice if you ask me.
I think we've just become lazy and resort to cliche rather than racist stereotype. I think the perception is still there among certain coaches and even nationalities that black players are physically able but lack intellect. So we resort to poor descriptions based on colour, 'he's a black tank,' a black Messi,' 'black panther' was used to describe Eusebio even though he was a gifted striker in more departments as well as physical.
Didn't it used to be the case in the NFL, where the QB was always white and the runners black? It changed pretty rapidly though.
We have a load of work to do still
The overwhelming majority of those comments are not racist without knowing the intent of the person who posted them.
Hmm. I'd actually argue only 3 of those are racist, but I take your point about the casual racism.
How do you know they are 'white lads'? what analysis or assumptions did you make to arrive at that conclusion?
If a white player (say Matic) was called a gorilla, would that also create this furor? Now I don't know what the actual views of the guy who called him a gorilla are regarding to racism, but it could also be possible that he called him a gorilla because of his performances rather in his skin color. A comment made in anger rarely considers the social history of what he/she is saying.
I've asked the question as black people have historically been accused of laziness by white people.