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Well you have been here anyway!Definitely the first time that's been said on this forum of me.
Well you have been here anyway!Definitely the first time that's been said on this forum of me.
Sorry but you're just waffling now to avoid what I asked. I've explained my view and I want everyone to go home safely. I can only assume you're deliberately looking past that.That again doesn't condemn the violence brought upon the protesters, you're suggesting that violence is a natural occurrence in a riot (I agree with you), however you only seem to be condemning one side who are inflicting the violence.
Am I right or wrong in that? For some reason you seem to think i'm out to target you, all i'm asking for is clarification on your stance.
Do you condemn the violence brought upon by the protestors, or not.
My stance is that until there's justice, there's unlikely to be peace - and very few societal changes happen without civil unrest & violence.
I'm really not waffling at all. You said you want everyone to go home safely - we all understood that, there's no need to repeat it again.Sorry but you're just waffling now to avoid what I asked. I've explained my view and I want everyone to go home safely. I can only assume you're deliberately looking past that.
Do you feel the level of violence last night was acceptable?
Sadly you are waffling. You're doing so to try and muddy the water of the actual point being made.I'm really not waffling at all. You said you want everyone to go home safely - we all understood that, there's no need to repeat it again.
You've said at least 3x how despicable it is that these police officers have been hurt, what I was trying to get at was do you also feel the same way that the police officers have inflicted hurt on the protestors or not.
You seem to refuse to want to answer that, only saying that all forms of violence is bad.
I believe that societal change only tends to happen when members of society disrupt & cause chaos for a prolonged period of time, so yes violence is an ends to a means. However, i'm also under no illusions that the general British public gasp & clutch their pearls at the first sight of any violence that they deem unacceptable (because like I said earlier in the thread, economic, racial & sexual violence is normalised).
If you are expecting me to say that the police officers shouldn't have gotten hurt, and those bad protestors are too violent - you're not going to get that from me. Would I prefer that society can change without violence? Yes of course, i'm not a psychopath - but history has proven that to be unlikely, and there's nothing to suggest that, that will change any time soon.
I am bright you're right, but there's no need for condescension especially since I don't think I've spoken to you without respect.Sadly you are waffling. You're doing so to try and muddy the water of the actual point being made.
20 officers have been injured, one with a broken arm, another was stamped on and now has a collapsed lung. Two other officers had a vehicle that were sat in set on fire. They are facts as to what happened and you seem unwilling, or unable, to say that is wrong. What's even more baffling is you then avoid this by demanding I "condemn' 15 seconds of Twitter footage showing some officers using their batons on a crowd. That's despite me having said quite clearly I would rather there was no serious violence and that everyone went home safely.
Come on. You're clearly brighter than that.
honestly from my time in Bristol that is 100% believableI read that somebody had a poo in front of the officers but that might just be a protest at the lack of public toilet facilities. I can get behind that kind of demonstration.
I was there a year ago actually at a Half Man Half Biscuit gig. It has some cracking pubs and I'd love to go back and explore more. I also had a fantastic kebab after the gig.honestly from my time in Bristol that is 100% believable
The vehicle was just two days away from retirement!From what I have read, the police stayed behind their line through a few hours of protest and ignored graffiti on their vehicles and windows being smashed. They engaged when one of their vehicles was set on fire and the order was given to break up the demonstration as it was becoming too volatile. This was when a lot of the protestors had left over the duration.
That might be one side of the story, but the pictures from the first couple of hours suggest there is some truth to that.
The vehicle was just two days away from retirement!
it really is a great city apart from all the kids from Stroud who pretend to be poor and fight the power on their parents dimeI was there a year ago actually at a Half Man Half Biscuit gig. It has some cracking pubs and I'd love to go back and explore more. I also had a fantastic kebab after the gig.
I went for a night out in Stroud once and I thought I had seen everything, but that evening in the pub is burned into my memory. It's definitely got some unique characters has Stroud.it really is a great city apart from all the kids from Stroud who pretend to be poor and fight the power on their parents dime
it really is a great city apart from all the kids from Stroud who pretend to be poor and fight the power on their parents dime
Calm down you're not AOCYou've been clear about violence against police officers and violent protests yes, but I haven't seen you condemn the violence brought upon the protestors.
If i've missed it, can you show me?
I'm not trying to catch you out at all, I'm just asking a pretty straightforward question.
Calm down you're not AOC
I hope they played Trumpton Riots.I was there a year ago actually at a Half Man Half Biscuit gig. It has some cracking pubs and I'd love to go back and explore more. I also had a fantastic kebab after the gig.
I hope they played Trumpton Riots.
Whilst this is wildly off topic, I own a set of Joy Division oven gloves.I'll tell you that they played a blistering cover of 20th Century Boy.
Unfortunately all of the cameras suffered from an intermittent fault after a magical hand moved towards it seconds before they stopped working.Surely more than a clipped Twitter video is needed before we condemn police using their batons. Bodycam them all up
I'm not saying smashing things up is the best way.Yes... but perhaps smashing things up isn't the best way of preserving the rights of peaceful protests as they currently stand
Though it will be framed as something that in the midst of a global death lurgy was a bad idea ... that will overshadow even the irony of a violent protest about peaceful protests
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Priti Patel to announce ‘biggest overhaul of asylum system in decades’
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...cades/ar-BB1eTqJY?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBoPWjQ
I think that's going to have some pretty big implications ... I mean what will they do with people and how?Ms Patel said: “If people arrive illegally, they will no longer have the same entitlements as those who arrive legally, and it will be harder for them to stay.
“If, like over 60% of illegal arrivals, they have travelled through a safe country like France to get here, they will not have immediate entry into the asylum system – which is what happens today.
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Absolutely.I think that's going to have some pretty big implications ... I mean what will they do with people and how?
The other implication is it will probably give the conservatives a boost for being tough on immigruntz ...
Shes probably wet at the thought of the misery she can inflict... and eyeing up a run at no10
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You really can.Can't blame the Tories. The voters gave them a blank cheque.
The police lying? I don't believe it.Tweet
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Don't be a gras....oh wait!https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-bristol-56490861
Images of those wanted as part of the investigation.
Blame the Tories for carrying out their agenda when the voters gave them an 80 seat majority?You really can.