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Just put on BBC politics live to see what sort of fallout there is after the shambles of a week we’ve had.


“STATE OF STARMER’S LEADERSHIP” is the topic of conversation.

Richard Burgeon is currently answering questions from the host about “2017’s radical mandate” and why “activists in the party can’t let it go”

Normal country.
 

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sun_tzu said:
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I think Reyner misjudged it ... and this yougov poll seems to confirm that

Even amongst Labour voters it polls terribly - and it polls worse with all other groups

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Needs a "it is not acceptable, unless referring to Tory scum" option
 

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its actually +8 (according to youguv), in the middle of a fuel crisis shitstorm.
 

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Drainy said:
a house divided against itself cannot stand
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there were major divides in the tories, with the ERG and the Brexit party, and yet they kept their eyes on winning the election and all those hard headed loons put their issues aside, abandoned the brexit party (lets not forget it was polling more than the libdems and greens put together) got behind Boris and smashed labour to pieces. As a consequence we have a bunch of lunatics running the asylum at the worst possible time.
 

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Superden said:
its actually +8 (according to youguv), in the middle of a fuel crisis shitstorm.
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Must be a few folk who thought "shit, if it's this bad under the Tories imagine how much worse it would be under Labour?" Because apparently Gordon Brown sold all our gold for no reason and there was literally nothing going on in the world at the time.

It's like those Twitter dipshits who post pictures that say "this is what Biden's America would look like" displaying a photo of Trump's actual America.
 

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Just yesterday conservative MPs were posting pics on twitter showing empty shelves in a belgian supermarket, with the comments along the likes of look its happening there too and dont believe the remoaner press over here linking shortages to brexit. On all the tweets, it was pointed out by others repeatedly and with sources that the pics were due to industrial action impacting supply for a specific chain of stores (carrefour) in a specific location. Did the MPs retract their comments / correct or delete their tweets, of course not, instead their supporters continued to berate anyone pointing out the actual facts as being traitors. a plague on all their (detached) houses.
 

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Superden said:
Just yesterday conservative MPs were posting pics on twitter showing empty shelves in a belgian supermarket, with the comments along the likes of look its happening there too and dont believe the remoaner press over here linking shortages to brexit. On all the tweets, it was pointed out by others repeatedly and with sources that the pics were due to industrial action impacting supply for a specific chain of stores (carrefour) in a specific location. Did the MPs retract their comments / correct or delete their tweets, of course not, instead their supporters continued to berate anyone pointing out the actual facts as being traitors. a plague on all their (detached) houses.
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Bad faith actors.
 

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He is right to be fair. Assuming by minorities he means the richest 1% while the rest of us get shafted.

Unfortunately I don't believe this is what he means
 

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sun_tzu said:
Labour should get fully on board with the progressive alliance for election reform

Lab, Lib, SNP, Greens, Plaid agree to only have 1 candidate stand and to support that candidate and al candidates have in their manifestio that they will pass immediate electoral reform for a PR system then call a new election

Probably delivers a big majority and a government is formed.. Passes PR then dissolves

Finally allows Labour to fragment, Greens will likley get much more than 1mp under a PR system... SNP probably extract some agreement for indy ref 2

All achievable if Lab and Lib sign up to this for the next election
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Good idea.

But Starmer has persuaded the right/centrist leaning unions to vote against PR as a Labour policy. The members seem to want it overwhelmingly.
 

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Mr Pigeon said:
The Tories, even though they have twelve men on the pitch and the ref is bent, continually leave an open goal. And if Labour don't fall on the ball, one of their team mates pushes them over.



Let's not hold the Tories to account for the mounting levels of shit they're producing, let's argue with one another!

If it's not Momentum causing drama and infighting it's the fecking unions - and I say that as a union member. They're like those twats you get at work training days who have to disrupt the host with their bullshit to show how "against the system" they are.
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Starmer trying to change the one member one vote rule before the Labour conference caused more division and arguments than any union.
 

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Berbasbullet said:
Sounds like the unions are very much against it.
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Most of the 'woke' politicians and sensible activists would be dead against it as well. The problem with PR for them is that there's not enough power on offer. In a two party system for the Labour party the two main factions, the 'woke' socialists and the pro-Europe neo-libs, know that if they can get in power then they can really implement their ideology.
 

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Fluctuation0161 said:
Good idea.

But Starmer has persuaded the right/centrist leaning unions to vote against PR as a Labour policy. The members seem to want it overwhelmingly.
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Well as 95% of the union vote was against pr that simply can't be true... pretty much all unions voted against it

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...abour-parties-call-to-axe-first-past-the-post

Starmer could have and imo should have done more to back it but there is no way 95% of the unions are centrist and right is there... I mean unite account for more than 5% of the union vote so they must have voted against it as well as I'm sure they are not in your definition of a centrist union?


With a year of working on it though I could see enough unions coming round to back a pr motion in 2022... just in time for a 2023 spring election which is what I think we will get ... so could be in the manifesto or even tactically a pr alliance to stand down in certain seats ... I'm still optimistic it can happen (not sure it will but I've not given up hope yet)
 
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