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Westminster Politics

Mart1974

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experts find no evidence public has had enough of experts... thats gonna alleviate that feeling amongst voters then?
metropolitan elite - I think that refers more to those living in cities thinking they know better than non city dwellers - you know like you seem to
as for dismissing concerns about immigration as racism Id take it back to

was she really bigoted?
Yes, yes she was. People arriving from overseas via legitimate immigration have been net contributors to the UK economy.
 

Mart1974

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Yeah both downright stupid but the idea that these sort of faux pas are the reason why the Tories are in power and Labour aren’t is just so shallow. You‘ve got literally thousands of examples of the Tories voting and acting against the interests of the working class yet it’s the fault of the people who call them stupid for continuing to do that?

We’re not politicians, it’s not our place to be diplomatic on social media. Anyone that isn’t in the top 5% and still votes Tory is an absolute fecking moron.
100% agree, I am just a voter with an opinion and if I call out Tory sleaze or point out their failings I am painted as "the problem with Labour".
 

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My own anecdotal evidence suggests so. My brother is an idiot and he voted Conservative. Absolutely incensed he was that Labour were offering everyone free broadband. :lol:

Disclaimer : I think the only people who aren't idiots were the ones who left this country after Brexit. Granted most won't have had the luxury of choice.
 

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Yes, yes she was. People arriving from overseas via legitimate immigration have been net contributors to the UK economy.
Her question was:

"Where are the immigrants coming from?" 1.25

Does that question define her as a bigot?

she said she felt there was too much immigration... was it legitimate to have a concern about the pace of immigration (keep in mind that in the 10 years prior to that 5.47m people had come to the uk and that was 8.7% of the total uk population)

At the time it was indeed a fairly public debate if the UK had followed the correct policy compared to other EU countries regarding immigration criteria for new countries who joined - she wasnt derogatory, she wasnt name calling she was asking what was highly debated point at the time to a Politian and she was pretty polite about it... certainly nothing that warranted her being called a bigot

My wife is an immigrant who came over to the UK around 15 years ago and I take no offence at the question she asked or how she asked it - I feel the response was ill judged and reflective of the same attitude where people in here say people are idiots for voting conservative ... the same as emily thronberrys tweet was condescending and as long as people persist with that attitude they will see more things like the collapse of the red wall and the brexit vote.
 

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Her question was:

"Where are the immigrants coming from?" 1.25

Does that question define her as a bigot?

she said she felt there was too much immigration... was it legitimate to have a concern about the pace of immigration (keep in mind that in the 10 years prior to that 5.47m people had come to the uk and that was 8.7% of the total uk population)

At the time it was indeed a fairly public debate if the UK had followed the correct policy compared to other EU countries regarding immigration criteria for new countries who joined - she wasnt derogatory, she wasnt name calling she was asking what was highly debated point at the time to a Politian and she was pretty polite about it... certainly nothing that warranted her being called a bigot

My wife is an immigrant who came over to the UK around 15 years ago and I take no offence at the question she asked or how she asked it - I feel the response was ill judged and reflective of the same attitude where people in here say people are idiots for voting conservative ... the same as emily thronberrys tweet was condescending and as long as people persist with that attitude they will see more things like the collapse of the red wall and the brexit vote.
Why are you making up the quote? She said:

“You can't say anything about the immigrants because you're saying that you're … but all these eastern European what are coming in, where are they flocking from?”


You don’t think that’s bigoted?
 

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Why are you making up the quote? She said:

“You can't say anything about the immigrants because you're saying that you're … but all these eastern European what are coming in, where are they flocking from?”


You don’t think that’s bigoted?
so by your transcript she said

"you cant say anything about the immigrants because your saying that your"... (basically saying that you cant ask questions without people labelling you a bigot / racist)

"but all these eastern europeans are coming in, where are they flocking from?" ... (so shes asking which countries they are coming from again at the time the issue was about immigration in the Uk which was uncontrolled vs the controls implemented in countries like germany - on the face of it i think its fair to say thats a reasonable question)

her question is where are people migrating from but she raises the concern that asking that perfectly reasonable question will see her called a racist / bigot

PM proceeds to call her a bigot on national tv...


Pm gets slated for it - just like thronberry gets slated a few years later for such a condecending attitude - the same attitiude that prevails in loosing the referendum and a helping factor in loosing the red wall and now we have folks calling people idiots and then being mad at them when they dont change their votes.

If you dont think calling the 43.6% of the population who voted conservative idiots is bad politics then I think your mistaken

that said it makes a change from blaming everything on Red Tories and Israel
 

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Baffling why anyone would want to even attempt to defend these fecks in high up spots in the Government. Why would you want to align yourselves with people like that. Bizarre.
 

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In other news: Corbyn is starting his own socialist party.
 

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Nobody told me!

That's surely going to go as THE quote that led to his eventual demise.
Nah, all makes sense - Nobody told him because he definitely didn't attend any events remember? Well apart from the events he did attend, that he didn't know about, but still attended.... and when he did attend (but he didn't) he didn't think they were against the rules, because he didn't know about the rules, despite telling everyone the rules. Pretty clear isn't it?
 

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Nobody told me? Wow... kids in school do not get away with that response.
 

Mart1974

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Is there any other way that either side addresses the other side today? I've never seen it
Only so may times I can explain that Corbyn is not a terrorist sympathiser and Starmer did not refuse to prosecute Jimmy Saville without calling someone an idiot.