rotherham_red
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Remember when the Tories complained about Goodall getting the Newsnight gig cos he was rabidly red and anti-Tory? Good times...
Remember when the Tories complained about Goodall getting the Newsnight gig cos he was rabidly red and anti-Tory? Good times...
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...dhim-Zahawi-Sajid-Javid.html#article-10080777He mixed up Mr Zahawi, who has a distinctive white beard, and clean-shaven Mr Javid as he attempted to introduce the former to the audience on the Houses of Parliament's Terrace Pavillion as the Health Secretary.
When his error was pointed out to him, he was said to have told the guests: 'They all look the same to me'.
It’s an easy argument for dishonest people to make to stupid people.It’s incredible isn’t it. People telling me BBC are bunch of lefties are insane.
The majority of the country is anti Brexit and (I believe) more people voted for left wing parties than the Tories at the last election.People have been saying that since 2016 but it seems to overlook the fact that the majority of the country is pro-Brexit and Tory and for many that is an unshakeable part of their identity.
Based on what though? All that mattered was those who voted in 2016 realistically and people are naive to think remain would stroll a second vote now. There are a million and one vox pop videos of members of the public still adamantly saying they'd vote Brexit, regardless of the country lurching from one crisis to another. It's the same with my family up north too and more widely, how idiots like IDS are trying to invoke 'the Blitz spirit'.The majority of the country is anti Brexit and (I believe) more people voted for left wing parties than the Tories at the last election.
This country is broken.
Even if you just factor in the wrinklies who've died since the vote and assumed nobody had changed their mind then I think Remain would be favourite. I do also think though that some people have changed their minds finally and more will continue to do so as inflation, shortages and the continued erosion of public services bites.Based on what though? All that mattered was those who voted in 2016 realistically and people are naive to think remain would stroll a second vote now. There are a million and one vox pop videos of members of the public still adamantly saying they'd vote Brexit, regardless of the country lurching from one crisis to another. It's the same with my family up north too and more widely, how idiots like IDS are trying to invoke 'the Blitz spirit'.
There are some pretty clear differences between the two, especially enough for a colleague to be able to tell them apart.Even the DM isn't buying his claim that he said 'you two look very alike'.
'They all look the same to me': Tory MP at the centre of racism row after being accused of confusing Asian ministers Nadhim Zahawi and Sajid Javid at St John Ambulance reception
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...dhim-Zahawi-Sajid-Javid.html#article-10080777
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Ambiente, Ashby-de-la-Zouch, United Kingdom, 4 hours ago
A simple mistake hardly life threatening.
I don't think it would be a huge majority but I think Remain would definitely win in a replay now. It was extremely close last time and most people won't be buying into that 'blitz spirit' crap unless they're the kind of people who definitely voted Leave last time anyway.Based on what though? All that mattered was those who voted in 2016 realistically and people are naive to think remain would stroll a second vote now. There are a million and one vox pop videos of members of the public still adamantly saying they'd vote Brexit, regardless of the country lurching from one crisis to another. It's the same with my family up north too and more widely, how idiots like IDS are trying to invoke 'the Blitz spirit'.
It was tight. I can’t possibly envisage a world in which people that voted remain would switch. I have swathes of family members that were hard for Brexit that now freely admit they got it wrong.Based on what though? All that mattered was those who voted in 2016 realistically and people are naive to think remain would stroll a second vote now. There are a million and one vox pop videos of members of the public still adamantly saying they'd vote Brexit, regardless of the country lurching from one crisis to another. It's the same with my family up north too and more widely, how idiots like IDS are trying to invoke 'the Blitz spirit'.
I get the slight demographic change that @TwoSheds mentions, with more older leave folk died (accelerated by Covid a bit too) and more remain youngsters now in voting age, but there are equally more than you think that feel the EU is punishing us and have switched to leave. Some others will buy into the increased nationalism we're seeing, with union flags everywhere and plenty will blame the EU for immigrants coming over the Channel etc...It was tight. I can’t possibly envisage a world in which people that voted remain would switch. I have swathes of family members that were hard for Brexit that now freely admit they got it wrong.
My family alone wouldn’t change much. But they’re in Telford, Kent, Wales. Real hard nosed Brexiteer land. I’ll use them as an example of softening. Ditto for many middle class Tories that I work with. Some freely admit they would switch.
Plus young people now making up a higher percentage.
I think Remain would be a solid 60%. Anecdotal and not evidence. But it doesn’t feel like a stupid point.
A fourth wife maybe? He has a majority and if he's hamstrung by any wokes he's hamstrung by the wokes he used to become prime minister. He's hamstrung by being an imbecile incapable of keeping a thought or his word for longer than 3 minutes.My late Father said to me once ‘Labour will spend money on lots of good things but will ruin the economy by taxing industry to pay for it. Then the Tories will get in and fix it but we will all be hit hard so Labour will get and ……’ So it goes on. Governments are in for themselves, not the country. Labour is currently inhabited by loons and dickheads and the Tories are just the Tories. Blair’s Labour built hospitals and other things using the private finance initiative which we will be paying for until the end of the century it seems. Boris is promising jam tomorrow and may have got somewhere if COVID hadn’t been unleashed. At least he gives the impression he wants to do the right thing but is hamstrung by Wokes and right wing freaks in his own party. One thing for sure is we have a weak Home Secretary. The illegals crossing the channel is still not sorted, the police are a mess and we allow middle class morons to inconvenience the public with their protests.
Would you vote tory if an election came up soon?My late Father said to me once ‘Labour will spend money on lots of good things but will ruin the economy by taxing industry to pay for it. Then the Tories will get in and fix it but we will all be hit hard so Labour will get and ……’ So it goes on. Governments are in for themselves, not the country. Labour is currently inhabited by loons and dickheads and the Tories are just the Tories. Blair’s Labour built hospitals and other things using the private finance initiative which we will be paying for until the end of the century it seems. Boris is promising jam tomorrow and may have got somewhere if COVID hadn’t been unleashed. At least he gives the impression he wants to do the right thing but is hamstrung by Wokes and right wing freaks in his own party. One thing for sure is we have a weak Home Secretary. The illegals crossing the channel is still not sorted, the police are a mess and we allow middle class morons to inconvenience the public with their protests.
It's not actually true though.My late Father said to me once ‘Labour will spend money on lots of good things but will ruin the economy by taxing industry to pay for it. Then the Tories will get in and fix it but we will all be hit hard so Labour will get and ……’ So it goes on.
Is it? Our referendum result wasn't far off the national result and ironically was possibly tipped to leave by immigrants...from England.Wales. Real hard nosed Brexiteer land.
This is a troll right?My late Father said to me once ‘Labour will spend money on lots of good things but will ruin the economy by taxing industry to pay for it. Then the Tories will get in and fix it but we will all be hit hard so Labour will get and ……’ So it goes on. Governments are in for themselves, not the country. Labour is currently inhabited by loons and dickheads and the Tories are just the Tories. Blair’s Labour built hospitals and other things using the private finance initiative which we will be paying for until the end of the century it seems. Boris is promising jam tomorrow and may have got somewhere if COVID hadn’t been unleashed. At least he gives the impression he wants to do the right thing but is hamstrung by Wokes and right wing freaks in his own party. One thing for sure is we have a weak Home Secretary. The illegals crossing the channel is still not sorted, the police are a mess and we allow middle class morons to inconvenience the public with their protests.
Of course it's not true, the impact of any government on the overall economy tends to be negligible in reality. It takes something like Brexit to cause any great impact so its bewildering anyone could think the Tories (especially the current crop) are more economically sound.It's not actually true though.
https://theconversation.com/labour-...economy-than-voters-think-new-research-162368
My late Father said to me once ‘Labour will spend money on lots of good things but will ruin the economy by taxing industry to pay for it. Then the Tories will get in and fix it but we will all be hit hard so Labour will get and ……’ So it goes on. Governments are in for themselves, not the country. Labour is currently inhabited by loons and dickheads and the Tories are just the Tories. Blair’s Labour built hospitals and other things using the private finance initiative which we will be paying for until the end of the century it seems. Boris is promising jam tomorrow and may have got somewhere if COVID hadn’t been unleashed. At least he gives the impression he wants to do the right thing but is hamstrung by Wokes and right wing freaks in his own party. One thing for sure is we have a weak Home Secretary. The illegals crossing the channel is still not sorted, the police are a mess and we allow middle class morons to inconvenience the public with their protests.
Theres probably a slice of naïvety on my part. Hope too. But in the last year I’ve finally started hearing devout Brexit cultists saying ‘I got it wrong’. That feels impactful.I get the slight demographic change that @TwoSheds mentions, with more older leave folk died (accelerated by Covid a bit too) and more remain youngsters now in voting age, but there are equally more than you think that feel the EU is punishing us and have switched to leave. Some others will buy into the increased nationalism we're seeing, with union flags everywhere and plenty will blame the EU for immigrants coming over the Channel etc...
It's by no means a stupid point, but I just don't share the confidence that remain would comfortably win now. For my family sample, they're from from East Yorkshire, with David Davis my mum's MP, so that is Brexit central! Remain is a massive majority on here and similarly on social media, but in the regions that just isn't the case.
I can’t speak for the whole of Wales, but where my family is, yes. As above, I could be a little naïve.Is it? Our referendum result wasn't far off the national result and ironically was possibly tipped to leave by immigrants...from England.
Fair enough, my experience in South Wales matches the data I've seen, hugely popular with the 60+ and gradually getting less popular as you go down in ages.I can’t speak for the whole of Wales, but where my family is, yes. As above, I could be a little naïve.
"The illegals" . If Covid wasn't a thing then Johnson would have nothing else to hide behind when the reality of his Brexit began to hit.My late Father said to me once ‘Labour will spend money on lots of good things but will ruin the economy by taxing industry to pay for it. Then the Tories will get in and fix it but we will all be hit hard so Labour will get and ……’ So it goes on. Governments are in for themselves, not the country. Labour is currently inhabited by loons and dickheads and the Tories are just the Tories. Blair’s Labour built hospitals and other things using the private finance initiative which we will be paying for until the end of the century it seems. Boris is promising jam tomorrow and may have got somewhere if COVID hadn’t been unleashed. At least he gives the impression he wants to do the right thing but is hamstrung by Wokes and right wing freaks in his own party. One thing for sure is we have a weak Home Secretary. The illegals crossing the channel is still not sorted, the police are a mess and we allow middle class morons to inconvenience the public with their protests.
Yeah, I understand the hope, I held on to all the way through til Johnson got elected. I'm yet to meet a cultist who says they made the wrong choice though, although family aside, my friends and colleagues are a real remain echo chamber.Theres probably a slice of naïvety on my part. Hope too. But in the last year I’ve finally started hearing devout Brexit cultists saying ‘I got it wrong’. That feels impactful.
Or perhaps something resembling waste landsYeah, I understand the hope, I held on to all the way through til Johnson got elected. I'm yet to meet a cultist who says they made the wrong choice though, although family aside, my friends and colleagues are a real remain echo chamber.
I'm leaving the UK on Saturday for a few years, so hopefully we'll have those sunlit uplands by the time I'm back or better still be back in the EU.
EU citizens will enjoy higher wages and increasingly appreciation for their skilled or unskilled abilities here, all inside 18 months. British people will never again get those rights back.Yeah, I understand the hope, I held on to all the way through til Johnson got elected. I'm yet to meet a cultist who says they made the wrong choice though, although family aside, my friends and colleagues are a real remain echo chamber.
I'm leaving the UK on Saturday for a few years, so hopefully we'll have those sunlit uplands by the time I'm back or better still be back in the EU.
Pft, Priti Patel will be PM by then, you'll be lucky to get back in.Yeah, I understand the hope, I held on to all the way through til Johnson got elected. I'm yet to meet a cultist who says they made the wrong choice though, although family aside, my friends and colleagues are a real remain echo chamber.
I'm leaving the UK on Saturday for a few years, so hopefully we'll have those sunlit uplands by the time I'm back or better still be back in the EU.
Unless I’m mistaking where your fathers thoughts end and yours begin, he may have a healthier and more adult outlook than you. Which is mental. If everything after the quotation is you, you sound truly broken. Probably told to you by the very people you want to celebrate.My late Father said to me once ‘Labour will spend money on lots of good things but will ruin the economy by taxing industry to pay for it. Then the Tories will get in and fix it but we will all be hit hard so Labour will get and ……’ So it goes on. Governments are in for themselves, not the country. Labour is currently inhabited by loons and dickheads and the Tories are just the Tories. Blair’s Labour built hospitals and other things using the private finance initiative which we will be paying for until the end of the century it seems. Boris is promising jam tomorrow and may have got somewhere if COVID hadn’t been unleashed. At least he gives the impression he wants to do the right thing but is hamstrung by Wokes and right wing freaks in his own party. One thing for sure is we have a weak Home Secretary. The illegals crossing the channel is still not sorted, the police are a mess and we allow middle class morons to inconvenience the public with their protests.
DiploMatt.
This is definitely a parody post.My late Father said to me once ‘Labour will spend money on lots of good things but will ruin the economy by taxing industry to pay for it. Then the Tories will get in and fix it but we will all be hit hard so Labour will get and ……’ So it goes on. Governments are in for themselves, not the country. Labour is currently inhabited by loons and dickheads and the Tories are just the Tories. Blair’s Labour built hospitals and other things using the private finance initiative which we will be paying for until the end of the century it seems. Boris is promising jam tomorrow and may have got somewhere if COVID hadn’t been unleashed. At least he gives the impression he wants to do the right thing but is hamstrung by Wokes and right wing freaks in his own party. One thing for sure is we have a weak Home Secretary. The illegals crossing the channel is still not sorted, the police are a mess and we allow middle class morons to inconvenience the public with their protests.
When the right wing think you're left wing, and the left wing think you're right wing, you know you're doing a pretty good job of sitting in the centre.It’s an easy argument for dishonest people to make to stupid people.
Show evidence of the BBC reporting on ‘Woke’ issues in 0.05% of overall programming. Highlight a few shows in a certain way…
Idiots will believe that a few examples that are amplified equals ‘lefty’, without ever analysing the totality of output, the truly right-skewed politics coverage, the huge number of Tories and chums on speaking spots. Almost all political discourse on the BBC is centre-right hosts pitching acceptable questions to people they socialise with.
That the Daily Mail folks can somehow wrap this up so dishonestly is terrifying.
Labour spending also drives overall GDP growth, that's hardly a surprise. It's not a surprise that the biggest growth periods have been immediately followed by big drops, regardless of who is in power.It's not actually true though.
https://theconversation.com/labour-...economy-than-voters-think-new-research-162368
This is nonsense though. If a parent of twins gives one twin a cookie every day and the other twin a slap every day, you'd struggle to argue that they're being treated equally on the grounds that the first twin is screaming just as loudly for more cookies as the second twin is for fewer slaps.When the right wing think you're left wing, and the left wing think you're right wing, you know you're doing a pretty good job of sitting in the centre.
Let me guess, do you read the Daily Mail? Or are you more of an alternative right kind of consumer?My late Father said to me once ‘Labour will spend money on lots of good things but will ruin the economy by taxing industry to pay for it. Then the Tories will get in and fix it but we will all be hit hard so Labour will get and ……’ So it goes on. Governments are in for themselves, not the country. Labour is currently inhabited by loons and dickheads and the Tories are just the Tories. Blair’s Labour built hospitals and other things using the private finance initiative which we will be paying for until the end of the century it seems. Boris is promising jam tomorrow and may have got somewhere if COVID hadn’t been unleashed. At least he gives the impression he wants to do the right thing but is hamstrung by Wokes and right wing freaks in his own party. One thing for sure is we have a weak Home Secretary. The illegals crossing the channel is still not sorted, the police are a mess and we allow middle class morons to inconvenience the public with their protests.