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[/QUOTE]Agree. Although I will be surprised if Starmer gets a fine as it mean he really would have to resign.
Tbf Labour did the same with Boris party gate stuff or rishi sunak eating some birthday cake. There was a million other important things they could have focused on. And we all laughed at the right wing press for saying we should be instead be talking about more important things like the war in Ukraine.
And Rayner was there too, so I suspect she goes.Agree. Although I will be surprised if Starmer gets a fine as it mean he really would have to resign.
Tbf Labour did the same with Boris party gate stuff or rishi sunak eating some birthday cake. There was a million other important things they could have focused on. And we all laughed at the right wing press for saying we should be instead be talking about more important things like the war in Ukraine.
Should au pairs be used in this way? it seems deceitful to do so. I've heard about some au pairs having a really bad experience because they get treated like indentured servants.
Yeah totally forgot about that. She would have to go as well.And Rayner was there too, so I suspect she goes.
Leaving a choice - either the NEC appoints a new Leader, or we have another leadership contest.
Honestly think the plan is to go all in on this. Labour hope the police blink first and don't give Starmer a fine.Tweet
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https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/labour-party-leadership-contestsI honestly think he has no other option.
Interesting if Rayner has to do the same.
If so, we need either a Leader appointed by the NEC or a three month (at least) leadership campaign.
Presumably candidates still have to secure 20% of MP's first or not?If both the party leader and deputy leader become permanently unavailable, or the post of deputy leader is vacant, the NEC will conduct a postal ballot of Labour Party membership to select a new leader. In the interim period, the NEC may appoint a temporary leader in consultation with the shadow cabinet.
Now that's a winnerhttps://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/labour-party-leadership-contests
I think the NEC could call an emergency conference and make the process quicker (though how long it would take them to decide to do that is anybody guess) and I wouldn't put it past the conservatives to roll the dice on a snap election if labour are without a leader or deputy
could the NEC appoint Burnham? im not sure of the rules here as he isnt an MP
So the constitution doesn't specifically say that the Leader or Deputy have to be an MP, but the Leader is in charge of the PLP and has various parliamentary duties, so I think it is implied. You cannot do the job without having a Commons seat.https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/labour-party-leadership-contests
I think the NEC could call an emergency conference and make the process quicker (though how long it would take them to decide to do that is anybody guess) and I wouldn't put it past the conservatives to roll the dice on a snap election if labour are without a leader or deputy
could the NEC appoint Burnham? im not sure of the rules here as he isnt an MP
believe they can only appoint a temp leader?Since the right have a majority on the NEC, if a Leader needs appointing I suspect it will be either Cooper or Streeting.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/labour-party-leadership-contestsIf both the party leader and deputy leader become permanently unavailable, or the post of deputy leader is vacant, the NEC will conduct a postal ballot of Labour Party membership to select a new leader. In the interim period, the NEC may appoint a temporary leader in consultation with the shadow cabinet.
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Yes, that's right. But an important decision none the less given the prospect of a snap election. The NEC were planning to start the process for the next manifesto this Summer.believe they can only appoint a temp leader?
They are just feeding cynicism, he says.The idea that he would then casually break those rules is wrong - and frankly I don’t believe those accusing me believe it themselves.
Genuine queston here, because I don't know the answer - if this were Corbyn in the same position, how do you think he should or would have responded? He was elected because members liked his principles (not just his policy), but I could never see him offering to resign after a right-wing campaign (Lord knows he didn't when faced with all the other campaigns!)Video of his speech here -
His speech is fecking crazy. There is no way he is getting a fine but still it's very funny.
cooper or milliband would be my guessYes, that's right. But an important decision none the less given the prospect of a snap election. The NEC were planning to start the process for the next manifesto this Summer.
I think Corbyn would have talked about policy rather than this respect schtick Starmer is trying, which might have helped a little bit. But really if Corbyn was still the labour leader, then partygate would have never happened. Instead the media would be talking about how Corbyn is a Putin spy, trying to install Islamic trans communism into Britain.Genuine queston here, because I don't know the answer - if this were Corbyn in the same position, how do you think he should or would have responded? He was elected because members liked his principles (not just his policy), but I could never see him offering to resign after a right-wing campaign (Lord knows he didn't when faced with all the other campaigns!)
Thanks. I was speaking to a friend earlier who used to work for the Labour Party before 2015, and they are on the right of the party. They made the point that this whole escapade shows that Starmer is unfit to go into a General Election. If your response as Leader to a media campaign of a few days is to offer to resign, then how will you deal with 6-8 weeks of personal attacks and negative stories in an election?I think Corbyn would have talked about policy rather than this respect schtick Starmer is trying, which might have helped a little bit. But really if Corbyn was still the labour leader, then partygate would have never happened. Instead the media would be talking about how Corbyn is a Putin spy, trying to install Islamic trans communism into schools.
Partygate and really the more ''critical attacks'' on the tories have only happened due to labour under Starmer, no longer posing a threat to the British ruling class.
If anyone left Labour over Starmer's leadership, I would advise you to re-join as soon as possible, to ensure that you can vote in the upcoming elections...
i wonder if there will be anybody the next wave of entryists will have anybody to vote forWonder if the entryists who voted outside of Labour in the GE and returned post Starmer will be allowed to vote?
Would be a shame if they were hoist by their own petard.
and hope that the elections are 6 months away?If anyone left Labour over Starmer's leadership, I would advise you to re-join as soon as possible, to ensure that you can vote in the upcoming elections...
One proposal was to increase the support required for someone to run for leader, with Sir Keir saying candidates should have the backing of 20% of Labour MPs - up from the current 10%.
Another change will see six months of membership required before someone is allowed to vote on a leadership candidate - and the ability to join a “registered supporters” scheme, which allowed people to pay £25 for a vote in 2020 leadership election, has been dropped.
He's said he would resign if found to have broken the law... Its not something that even needs to be said in all honestly.Thanks. I was speaking to a friend earlier who used to work for the Labour Party before 2015, and they are on the right of the party. They made the point that this whole escapade shows that Starmer is unfit to go into a General Election. If your response as Leader to a media campaign of a few days is to offer to resign, then how will you deal with 6-8 weeks of personal attacks and negative stories in an election?
No worries. Yeah I don't really get what Starmer is trying to do, as the investigation could take weeks so that's all the media will be talking about. Unless he knows he is the clear already and will use the next few weeks to put on this bizarre macho , I'm different to Boris but also I'm the LAW! Or he really thinks a fine will be the end result and is hoping to pressure the police to drop it. Both are really awful looks and don't give confidence for a future election.Thanks. I was speaking to a friend earlier who used to work for the Labour Party before 2015, and they are on the right of the party. They made the point that this whole escapade shows that Starmer is unfit to go into a General Election. If your response as Leader to a media campaign of a few days is to offer to resign, then how will you deal with 6-8 weeks of personal attacks and negative stories in an election?
Yeah, sorry, I was more saying that out of the incredulity that we will be having (in my prediction) a fourth leadership election in seven years. I bet there are a lot of MPs and members who are relieved those changes to the ballot and nominations procedures got through Conference.and hope that the elections are 6 months away?
and that somebody other than nandy, streeting, cooper, phillips, can get the 20% of MPS required to make the actual ballot?
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-09-26...rship-rule-change-backed-by-majority-of-party
yeah though a few who are probably less happyYeah, sorry, I was more saying that out of the incredulity that we will be having (in my prediction) a fourth leadership election in seven years. I bet there are a lot of MPs and members who are relieved those changes to the ballot and nominations procedures got through Conference.