Westminster Politics

Frosty said:
Interesting take considering his previous evasions and defences.
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Boris's unique politicised antenna is beginning to tell him just how disinterested the majority of the public has become over partygate, it is not that they don't care, they do and at a GE (if he's still PM) he will get clobbered, that is if Labour follows the right playbook, but right now for vast swathes of the British populace it is getting to be like watching a 'Rocky IX' movie.... re-run!
This is especially true when the same things keep getting repeated... but he knows the public has already got it... there was more than one party that Boris put in an appearance at and in most cases he turned a blind eye.

Boris's mind set now seems to be entering a recovery planning phase and if it keeps on like this, he will be able to conjour up a 'carpe diem', situation in that in Britain's darkest Covid hour, having been seriously affected by the virus himself, he battled on; that he returned to the trenches of Government and in turning a blind eye to the breaches of the rules (i.e. the partying) he was really trying to raise the spirits of all those still toiling away in the bowels of No.10!

Is Boris about to get his second wind?
 
Maticmaker said:
Boris's unique politicised antenna is beginning to tell him just how disinterested the majority of the public has become over partygate, it is not that they don't care, they do and at a GE (if he's still PM) he will get clobbered, that is if Labour follows the right playbook, but right now for vast swathes of the British populace it is getting to be like watching a 'Rocky IX' movie.... re-run!
This is especially true when the same things keep getting repeated... but he knows the public has already got it... there was more than one party that Boris put in an appearance at and in most cases he turned a blind eye.

Boris's mind set now seems to be entering a recovery planning phase and if it keeps on like this, he will be able to conjour up a 'carpe diem', situation in that in Britain's darkest Covid hour, having been seriously affected by the virus himself, he battled on; that he returned to the trenches of Government and in turning a blind eye to the breaches of the rules (i.e. the partying) he was really trying to raise the spirits of all those still toiling away in the bowels of No.10!

Is Boris about to get his second wind?
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Him saying he let his government party once a week to raise morale while they were working their cushty Westminster office jobs while NHS front line workers, teachers, public transport operators and the like weren’t allowed to any sort of morale boost and incurred hefty fines when if did, isn‘t the PR win you think it is.
 
Pexbo said:
Him saying he let his government party once a week to raise morale while they were working their cushty Westminster office jobs while NHS front line workers, teachers, public transport operators and the like weren’t allowed to any sort of morale boost and incurred hefty fines when if did, isn‘t the PR win you think it is.
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No, it probably isn't, but it wont stop Boris trying, especially if the 54 letters don't arrive... Boris sees himself as 'the comeback King' .
 
Buster15 said:
It would be interesting to find out the viewing figures over the years.
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A friend of mine (in a totally different context) did do some highly restricted research on the viewing figures a short while back, partly it was to do with the pandemic (of course!), but I seem to remember one of the conclusions he (was allowed) to tell me was that it depended on what were the headlines, at the time and how many 'clips' (from PMQ's) were included in the main news broadcasts.
Also there was some correlation with the figures that was thought to indicate when public interest was beginning to wane, the viewing figures dropped off fairly quickly, a point that (I thought) would have probably been obvious, but nevertheless it was included in the research!

My friend said he couldn't tell me anything else.... otherwise he'd have to kill me! :eek:
 
Maticmaker said:
A friend of mine (in a totally different context) did do some highly restricted research on the viewing figures a short while back, partly it was to do with the pandemic (of course!), but I seem to remember one of the conclusions he (was allowed) to tell me was that it depended on what were the headlines, at the time and how many 'clips' (from PMQ's) were included in the main news broadcasts.
Also there was some correlation with the figures that was thought to indicate when public interest was beginning to wane, the viewing figures dropped off fairly quickly, a point that (I thought) would have probably been obvious, but nevertheless it was included in the research!

My friend said he couldn't tell me anything else.... otherwise he'd have to kill me! :eek:
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Why was that. All we are talking about is the BBC viewing figures which you would think would be in the public domain if not public interest. Especially as BBC is funded by the license fee...
Should be no more of a secret than for Question Time should it?
Very strange.
 
Buster15 said:
Why was that. All we are talking about is the BBC viewing figures which you would think would be in the public domain if not public interest. Especially as BBC is funded by the license fee...
Should be no more of a secret than for Question Time should it?
Very strange.
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I have no idea.
The friend I am talking about is prone to 'secrecy', I have known him 30 odd years, when we first met he worked with advertising agencies and then he moved on, to something else, but I never known for certain what his job is. Although I know he does like to 'hype' things up, over the years his 'tit-bits' (so to speak) have often been confirmed at a later date.

Trouble is he is a big Man City fan, so everything he says I tend to take with a pinch of salt! :rolleyes:
 
Pexbo said:
If he goes to a vote of confidence, they have to get rid of him. If they’re stuck with him for the next election they are royally screwed.
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It will be a hung parliament if he is the leader at the next election. They know it.
The good thing is Boris doesn't give a feck about the party so will try as much as possible to cling on.
 
Adisa said:
It will be a hung parliament if he is the leader at the next election. They know it.
The good thing is Boris doesn't give a feck about the party so will try as much as possible to cling on.
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It’ll be a LabLib coalition. What they should do is move to PR over FPTP if that’s the case but they won’t. They will try to govern as a coalition, argue, feck it up and let a Tory majority back in.
 
Frosty said:
I hope we get a British Republic in my lifetime.
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We should be given a vote on the monarchy after the queen dies. Accident of birth isn't a qualification for anything; this isn't the 18th century. We should be able to democratically choose our head of state and the House of Lords. The class system is still with us.
 
Maticmaker said:
I have no idea.
The friend I am talking about is prone to 'secrecy', I have known him 30 odd years, when we first met he worked with advertising agencies and then he moved on, to something else, but I never known for certain what his job is. Although I know he does like to 'hype' things up, over the years his 'tit-bits' (so to speak) have often been confirmed at a later date.

Trouble is he is a big Man City fan, so everything he says I tend to take with a pinch of salt! :rolleyes:
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Very wise.
 
Maticmaker said:
Nothing wrong with a constitutional monarchy, what we lack is a written constitution, not one based on precedence.
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The other European constitutional monarchies have a far lesser reach and power, that is true. I just oppose the herediatry principle in, well, principle. An elected ceremonial head of state has always been my preference, coupled with a codified constitution. But I agree that the codified constitution is the more important of the two.
 
There have been many times when Johnson has wriggled out of problems, but personally with the inevitable vote of no confidence coming up as well as 2 by elections this month, this MAY be the beginning of the end
 
Frosty said:
The other European constitutional monarchies have a far lesser reach and power, that is true. I just oppose the herediatry principle in, well, principle. An elected ceremonial head of state has always been my preference, coupled with a codified constitution. But I agree that the codified constitution is the more important of the two.
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Although I would prefer a constitutional monarchy, as we do, do 'pomp and circumstance', very well as we've seen presently, but it would need to be underpinned by a written constitution that defines the hereditary nature and what happens if it fails. However when you look at the who owns most of the valuable land in the UK, and where their ownership is derived from, it is likely that little short of a revolution will bring about a change.
So maybe the republican model/ approach is the only one likely to succeed, without bloodshed, but it would have to have two things; one a dissolution of the House of Lords (don't forget Henry VIII had a 'dissolution solution' to one of his problems) and two, a proportional representation system rather than the current single transferable vote FPTP outcome.
 
Maticmaker said:
Although I would prefer a constitutional monarchy, as we do, do 'pomp and circumstance', very well as we've seen presently, but it would need to be underpinned by a written constitution that defines the hereditary nature and what happens if it fails. However when you look at the who owns most of the valuable land in the UK, and where their ownership is derived from, it is likely that little short of a revolution will bring about a change.
So maybe the republican model/ approach is the only one likely to succeed, without bloodshed, but it would have to have two things; one a dissolution of the House of Lords (don't forget Henry VIII had a 'dissolution solution' to one of his problems) and two, a proportional representation system rather than the current single transferable vote FPTP outcome.
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Not going to disagree with any of that!
 
Not sure if it’s true but someone on Twitter is suggesting that all the events the Queen has missed recently we’re events Johnson was also attending.

It wouldn’t surprised me, she’s not really allowed to make overt political statements but I bet she was feckin fewmin at him lying to her.
 
Pexbo said:
Not sure if it’s true but someone on Twitter is suggesting that all the events the Queen has missed recently we’re events Johnson was also attending.

It wouldn’t surprised me, she’s not really allowed to make overt political statements but I bet she was feckin fewmin at him lying to her.
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She’s fecking ill mate, I hate Boris as much as the next sound lad but Queeny is 97 and hasn’t a clue what day it is.
 
Pexbo said:
Not sure if it’s true but someone on Twitter is suggesting that all the events the Queen has missed recently we’re events Johnson was also attending.

It wouldn’t surprised me, she’s not really allowed to make overt political statements but I bet she was feckin fewmin at him lying to her.
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That’s probably Boris showing up to fill in for the queen?
 
Adisa said:
She wanks to this guy every night.
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i don't think i've ever seen someone typify the "devoted wife defends husband over orgy video" stereotype as much as Dorries does for Johnson and the feckers aren't even in a relationship. :lol:

She is genuinely disturbed.
 
WPMUFC said:
i don't think i've ever seen someone typify the "devoted wife defends husband over orgy video" stereotype as much as Dorries does for Johnson and the feckers aren't even in a relationship. :lol:

She is genuinely disturbed.
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That we know about, remember Edwina Currie, and John Major?!

I don't even think Currie was that love struck for old Johnny boy as Naddine is for Boris!!
 
MUW4Eva said:
That we know about, remember Edwina Currie, and John Major?!

I don't even think Currie was that love struck for old Johnny boy as Naddine is for Boris!!
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simply because Johnson realised Dorries acts like this without any request. It's reflexive. Hence, the 'genuinely disturbed' part. He doesn't have to offer her anything but vague political power and she's turned in a "manson-esque" groupie.
 
Frosty said:
I hope we get a British Republic in my lifetime.
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We underestimate the true value of the royal family to the UK economy.
I have a close family member who lives in London and the number of overseas visitors who come to the UK especially because of the Queen is significant. As is their expenditure.
If for no other reason than that, they are literally worth their weight in gold.
 
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