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Agree, he was not a patch on Rooney who has been terrific in link up this season.
Agree, he was not a patch on Rooney who has been terrific in link up this season.
You need to put that number in perspective out of 13 unsuccessful passes 7 are headers, yesterday Rooney refused to play close to Martial when the latter was in an aerial dual.No he was never in a million years dreadful, but I didn't say he was dreadful, his link up play though, was very ordinary. I think he only had about 57% passing accuracy which is abhorrent, those numbers are in another world compared to Rooney at 9 in some of his 'worst' performances this season. The lad is young and he bagged two goals, so slate wiped clean and on we go!
No, please stop, Rooney has been great and people have agenda while Martial has been downright dreadful. Link up.You need to put that number in perspective out of 13 unsuccessful passes 7 are headers, yesterday Rooney refused to play close to Martial when the latter was in an aerial dual.
He did well, but some of his passes are too soft or played with too much nonchalance.LvG specifically praised his holdup ability. Its not outlandish to suggest he linked play well.
Of course they count headers. Passing completion is such a pointless statistic for a forward but in days of post-Moneyball and the gazillion of Opta stats it's inevitable that people would rather use Excel than their eyes to assess footballer hence nonsense like 'Rooney's link up has been good' because numbers specifically show that he's had 84.4214215125124% pass completion which is 2.52132151243125% over the average and 1.25135315523% better than Messi and converts to 0.41241251265124% better chance of winning the game and 0.021515124345% better chance to win trophy. In total Rooney's productivity has been estimated at $4.412412512million.Lone front men do tend to have poor pass completion rates. Remember seeing Drogba's stats and being surprised at how low it was. Do they really count headers then? That seems a bit silly really.
This is correct, but that will come. Think he held the ball up very well, and attempted to turn and keep the ball going forward too.He did well, but some of his passes are too soft or played with too much nonchalance.
Yeah I'd rather go with your unbiased and perfect opinion Joe Bloggs.Of course they count headers. Passing completion is such a pointless statistic for a forward but in days of post-Moneyball and the gazillion of Opta stats it's inevitable that people would rather use Excel than their eyes to assess footballer hence nonsense like 'Rooney's link up has been good' because numbers specifically show that he's had 84.4214215125124% pass completion which is 2.52132151243125% over the average and 1.25135315523% better than Messi and converts to 0.41241251265124% better chance of winning the game and 0.021515124345% better chance to win trophy. In total Rooney's productivity has been estimated at $4.412412512million.
Would probably be better if you watched football and form yours. Works better than putting numbers in Excel and using formulas to judge players performance.Yeah I'd rather go with your unbiased and perfect opinion Joe Bloggs.
As with all things the answer is to do both. Evaluate for yourself first and foremost and then stack it up against the statistics and see how it holds. The mind can be tricked very easily so it's always good to question yourself and stats are a great resource for that. I've generally been impressed with Martial's hold up play and ability to bring others into the game, he does have to work on weighting his passes a bit but overall still very promising in that regard.Would probably be better if you watched football and form yours. Works better than putting numbers in Excel and using formulas to judge players performance.
I noticed this when I was watching and was going to post it here! But yeah, I agree with everything you said.One thing which has surprised me is his strength and willingness to challenge the defenders. He doesn't mind going up in the air back to goal and trying to get something on the ball, often winning the header. He has far more to his game than I initially thought he would.
When you watch Wilson (who I rate highly) he just jumps with no intention of winning the ball, just makes it look like he is doing something, Martial gets in there and challenges the CB which is great to see.
De Gea in net and Martial up front all season and we could be top of the league! Maybe.Annoying that we didn't get this done sooner. I think those golden chances Rooney had against Swansea would've been slotted away by Martial.
An extra point against Swansea is pretty much a given seeing as De Gea would have likely conceded neither of these goals and I reckon Martial would have been able to put one past Newcastle.De Gea in net and Martial up front all season and we could be top of the league! Maybe.
I worry about this too but I guess we only live for the moment so it doesn't really help to overthink stuff. What we need is the rest of our attack stepping up because surely a time will come when he can't conjure up these moments of brilliance.It's all going too good to be true really. There will surely be a run of games where he barely even gets a shot on target. But as so many have said, we need to be patient when that time comes.
Yeah for sure. There will very likely come a time where he won't contribute much and will drift in and out of games. But that happens with all strikers, especially ones who are teenagers.It's all going too good to be true really. There will surely be a run of games where he barely even gets a shot on target. But as so many have said, we need to be patient when that time comes.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...fore-58m-manchester-united-move-10494959.htmlHas Wenger done his nearly signed him speech yet?
Heh, this "winger type" bloke already has more goals this season than any of his strikers
That seems well worth a few quid at 9/1 for any betting men. Don't let EssexRob see it, he'll curse him.I checked the odds on him being YPOTY last night, and he wasn't listed with any bookie. Now he's one of the favourites;
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/pfa-young-player-of-the-year
Threw £20 on it. Damn you.That seems well worth a few quid at 9/1 for any betting men. Don't let EssexRob see it, he'll curse him.
I thought he did it well for a young player starting his first PL game. Sure there were some mistakes, either under hit passes or holding on to long, but in the context of his age and getting used to the league there were a lot more positives in that aspect of his game than negatives for me.LvG specifically praised his holdup ability. Its not outlandish to suggest he linked play well.
He's probably crying into his evian that he didn't snap him up. I keep thinking back to what Paul Merson said on Soccer Saturday "Arsene Wenger knows the French market better than anyone he doesn't think this kid is worth the money" and it brings a smile to my face.Has Wenger done his nearly signed him speech yet?
Despite his most recent French signings being Giroud, Sanogo and Debuchy and the recent ones from Ligue 1 being Sanogo and Ospina. Going a further few years back there's been the hit successes Gervinho and Chamakh. But yeh he knows the French market better than anyone..He's probably crying into his evian that he didn't snap him up. I keep thinking back to what Paul Merson said on Soccer Saturday "Arsene Wenger knows the French market better than anyone he doesn't think this kid is worth the money" and it brings a smile to my face.
There's also Sanson, Lecomte, Imbula, Digne, Amavi, Mendy, Umtiti, Ntep and Tolisso to consider. Ridiculous really. Whether they actually win something is a different matter, but they should with that amount of talent in the future.France are going to have a hard time giving their strikers enough games with Lacazette, Martial, Benzema, Griezmann, Coman and Fekir all wanting in. I guess Fekir could play deeper and Griezmann and Coman could play wide. Crazy amount of attacking talent, though.
Add Pogba, Varane, Laporte, Kondogbia, Kurzawa and Zouma to the mix and the future of French football is looking very bright.
Weird, if he really believes that. He always looked more like a striker IMO and his performances suffered out wide.Right on cue. Wenger has said he had been keeping tabs on Martial since he was a kid but they didn't sign him because they have wingers like Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain, Sanchez and Campbell.
Its kinda crazy that the clean sheets have dried up since DDG's return, or proper since Swansea.De Gea in net and Martial up front all season and we could be top of the league! Maybe.
While I agree with the sentiment, it was actually, to be fair to the Mail, the Mirror that called him a waste of money.Cool as ice! Just the Cf we need. Rooney ain't going to get a sniff at no.9 with him now. He really shows all the attributes of what we want from a striker. His hold up play is so composed, loved to run at defenders and is not afraid to take a shot when needed. Can't believe we have him as our CF.
Up yours Daily Mail!!!
I'd still go with Luke Shaw, but Martial has done as well as he could have in the time he has been here.He has that Bergkamp/Cantona aura about him because he always seems to be two steps ahead of the play, his decision making is fantastic and his composure to pull off his vision really makes him stand out. He also has the really special ability to turn up the pace and burn past the defenders if need be.
Technically he is great as well, his finishing and the way he opens up his body is fantastic. And of course he complements all his footballing brain and talent with his physical ability.
I think he is the most talented teenager I have seen play for Untied since Ronaldo. I also think he will be our top scorer this season if he gets enough minutes. I hope he can stay with us for his peak years.
The defence probably play at a worse level, knowing De Gea will save their arses 9 times out of 10.Its kinda crazy that the clean sheets have dried up since DDG's return, or proper since Swansea.
I would think most top clubs have an extensive enough scouting network to keep tabs on most stand out youngsters or even youngsters with half decent potential. Wenger just seem to like stating it more than others.Right on cue. Wenger has said he had been keeping tabs on Martial since he was a kid but they didn't sign him because they have wingers like Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain, Sanchez and Campbell.