[jem]

Which, ironically, is what Johnson should not have been doing.

Thanks, I needed that laugh (it's been all gloom today.)

 

[Crossie]

@Wade3
That's a rather funny post. First of all, neither you nor me know if United and Dortmund operate the same way, and that's why I haven't suggested anything alike other than that Adnan may have underestimated the environment of Dortmund. (And you perhaps too.) On the other hand Adnan is a United youth academy product and therefore it wouldn't surprise me one bit if not just his own camp had pampered him but also people at United bar LvG of course.

If you believe that Dortmund thought they could sign Adnan for small fee, you are on the wrong path, mate, as do.ob pointed out already: If anything his price would have gone up but not down. Your post rather suggests that you have no clue how Dortmund operate and tick, which is perfectly fine - why should you as a United fan? - as long as you don't make claims about them, including calling those users who know one or two things more about their business operations, foolish. In particular when the logic of your small fee claim is the opposite of stringent and how Dortmund treated Januzaj is exactly as predicted the moment he arrived at BVB. Again: Dortmund had no incentive to invest in his development, and honestly: He's not a kid but an adult, and fully responsible for his development and work ethics. It's perfectly normal that clubs demand the very same energy and focus from a loan player, no matter how old he is, than from their own squad. If the loan player cannot or doesn't want to meet expectations so be it. Shit happens, and life goes on for both parties.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Can he play in the Europa League for us or is he cup tied from the loan?

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

Can he play in the Europa League for us or is he cup tied from the loan?

Cup tied

 

[Shark]

Can he play in the Europa League for us or is he cup tied from the loan?

Cup tied, he started for Dortmund in the Europa League.

 

[SSSSnake]

Glad you're not a scout. Jesse Lingard who's ceiling is an Ashley Young type player. No thanks i'd chance things with Adnan every day of the week.

How do them apples taste?
Jesse has more ability then Adnan any day!! Trust me this kid will go far. He can pass, dribble and he's proving he can score.

 

[SSSSnake]

You should start paying more attention to the youth teams.

I do and Jesse is here to stay.

 

[caisenma]

How do them apples taste?
Jesse has more ability then Adnan any day!! Trust me this kid will go far. He can pass, dribble and he's proving he can score.

you were saying?

 

[SSSSnake]

you were saying?

Still on the score sheet and creating chances. What's your point?

 

[FromTheBench]

Need to build him up first to play for the U21s ?

Wtf did Dortmund do to him ?

 

[caisenma]

Still on the score sheet and creating chances. What's your point?

my point is you're annoying, as is anyone who resorts to "seeee!!!! seee, i told you!!!!"

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

How do them apples taste?
Jesse has more ability then Adnan any day!! Trust me this kid will go far. He can pass, dribble and he's proving he can score.

Wut? He had a very average game. He took his goal well but was rightly replaced.

 

[FC Ronaldo]

Need to build him up first to play for the U21s ?

Wtf did Dortmund do to him ?

By all accounts his pissy attitude and lack of professionalism did it to himself.

 

[Wade3]

@Wade3
That's a rather funny post. First of all, neither you nor me know if United and Dortmund operate the same way, and that's why I haven't suggested anything alike other than that Adnan may have underestimated the environment of Dortmund. (And you perhaps too.) On the other hand Adnan is a United youth academy product and therefore it wouldn't surprise me one bit if not just his own camp had pampered him but also people at United bar LvG of course.

If you believe that Dortmund thought they could sign Adnan for small fee, you are on the wrong path, mate, as do.ob pointed out already: If anything his price would have gone up but not down. Your post rather suggests that you have no clue how Dortmund operate and tick, which is perfectly fine - why should you as a United fan? - as long as you don't make claims about them, including calling those users who know one or two things more about their business operations, foolish. In particular when the logic of your small fee claim is the opposite of stringent and how Dortmund treated Januzaj is exactly as predicted the moment he arrived at BVB. Again: Dortmund had no incentive to invest in his development, and honestly: He's not a kid but an adult, and fully responsible for his development and work ethics. It's perfectly normal that clubs demand the very same energy and focus from a loan player, no matter how old he is, than from their own squad. If the loan player cannot or doesn't want to meet expectations so be it. Shit happens, and life goes on for both parties.

No, what's funny is you thinking Dortmund is some sort of particularly tough environment to handle compared to United. He's played (or mostly sat) a year under van Gaal, who a lot of players complain about being too demanding, at a club that certainly faces more pressure than Dortmund, hence where you don't have much time to make mistakes. I think on that end, last season alone gave him a harsh reality check. Now it's you making claims about a club you seemingly don't know much about either.

And yes, Dortmund had no incentive in investing in his development because they realized he didn't wanna stay. When they loaned him though, I'm pretty confident they loaned him with the hopes of buying him. Look at it from Dortmund's perspective: A relatively young, promising player who is out of favor with the manager at a big club that is investing plenty of money. Their hopes were probably that Adnan would be a solid squad player this year, be happy at Dortmund and demand to be sold to them. We (United) wouldn't have much leverage there and regardless of Januzaj's play would've been forced to give him up for not that high of a fee. Instead though, it became more and more clear that Januzaj was just looking at this as a one year run and was not done at United yet. If Dortmund doesn't operate that way, why else would they loan him? If it was just a matter of adding squad depth because some players are injury prone, it'd be much smarter to add a proven veteran rather than a youngster who hasn't done much in the Premier League.

The loan was stupid on Januzaj's part in the first place. Despite Reus being as fragile as he is, there was too much competition in the first place for an unproven guy like him. One thing I will agree with you on is that he needed to perform and overestimated himself.

 

[Wade3]

What would've given Dortmund the impression that Januzaj was available for a small fee? From the looks of it he and/or United didn't want a permanent move last summer and had he done well the potential fee only would've gone up further. And what would "caring" even mean in this context? There were minutes up for grabs for him and Tuchel apparently tried to work on/with him during training sessions. But if someone (apparently) can't really be arsed and wants to leave you let him go.
It's not even like Januzaj was obviously surplus to requirements in their planning.. as of now they have Castro as their only adequate backup for Mkhitaryan, Reus and Kagawa. Hofmann and Januzaj were replaced by two kids from their u19 and Leitner, who was basically already out the door.

As I already told Crossie, Januzaj was out of favor for the moment with van Gaal at United. Imagine him being a solid squad player at Dortmund and deciding he simply wants to stay there? It's not that unrealistic. You get away from the insane pressure a club like United brings and you get away from van Gaal, who isn't too popular with the players and didn't give him much of a chance either.

While I believe Januzaj only viewed the move as a pure loan move, I think if he things had worked out a little better for him, he could've easily wanted to stay permanently. I think in today's football world, we all know that if a player demands to be sold, the fee will not be at market value, which wasn't that high for Januzaj to begin with.

Now I'm not debating that Januzaj wasn't lazy, but I think it's because both parties quickly realized this wasn't gonna become a permanent deal.

 

[In Rainbows]

How do them apples taste?
Jesse has more ability then Adnan any day!! Trust me this kid will go far. He can pass, dribble and he's proving he can score.

Adnan has had better games for United. Sunderland, Newcastle, Hull, Norwich, Southampton, etc.. were much better displays at age 18 than Lingard's matches at age 23. He's also showed more impressive bits of skill than Jesse. No way does Jesse have more ability. That's not a knock on him. Who knows? Maybe Lingard does end up being better than Adnan, but that will only be due to Adnan failing. Adnan has more technique, passing ability, and vision. Jesse so far seems more mature and I think he's always had better finishing.

 

[Xivon]

Need to build him up first to play for the U21s ?

Wtf did Dortmund do to him ?

To be fair, there is a winter break in Germany. He hasn't trained in at least 2 weeks, it isn't that surprising.

 

[dcullivanio]

In the Adnan vs Jesse debate I believe that Januzaj is definitely a more technically gifted player with more potential. But, until that potential is fulfilled it means F' all quite frankly. We often state how Ronaldo and Rooney were roughly on a par 10-12 years ago but look at the gulf with those two these days.Natural ability counts for nothing unless a player works as well.

Other than that, welcome back to United Adnan, hopefully your time will come!

 

[Balu]

Need to build him up first to play for the U21s ?

Wtf did Dortmund do to him ?

It's really strange, because when he arrived at Dortmund, he also had to build up his fitness first despite having a full pre-season with United. When is he actually fit enough to play some football?

 

[Asger]

Where is he ??? Not on the bench today.

 

[ChaddyP]

Where is he ??? Not on the bench today.

will probably play with the u21s to build "match rhythm"

 

[FC Ronaldo]

Starts tonight for U21's.

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[Adisa]

Hope he plays well.

 

[caisenma]

nice goal already... should have had another earlier in the game as well. has looked really good today.

 

[GloryHunter07]

Is he playing as a 10? Or on the wing?

 

[pocco]

Right wing.

He's a class above. Hope he can carry this to the first team when he next gets a chance.

 

[In Rainbows]

Right wing.

He's a class above. Hope he can carry this to the first team when he next gets a chance.

He's capable of better performances.

 

[pocco]

He's capable of better performances.

No doubt. But considering the circumstances he's been good. They've resorted to doubling and tripling up on him.

 

[ChaddyP]

some nice touches and close control. as stated above class above the rest, but he always was in the u21's

 

[Sylar]

2 goals and an assist eh?

 

[caisenma]

2 goals and an assist eh?

it's all thanks to his return to nike boots. completely superstitious, of course, but he was great in nike, rubbish in new balance. let's hope this continues, however flimsy the evidence may be.

 

[limerickcitykid]

it's all thanks to his return to nike boots. completely superstitious, of course, but he was great in nike, rubbish in new balance. let's hope this continues, however flimsy the evidence may be.

He hasn't been wearing New Balance all season.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

2 goals and an assist eh?

Got to make the bench for Southampton,surely

 

[caisenma]

He hasn't been wearing New Balance all season.

those all black boots weren't NB?

 

[limerickcitykid]

those all black boots weren't NB?

Not this season no, been wearing mainly Vapor X academy with I think sometimes Superflys and even a pair of Adidas in pre-season.

 

[We need an rvn]

Looks grumpy after scoring both goals, give us a little celebration will ya!

 

[Van Piorsing]

Got to make the bench for Southampton,surely

Could easily take Lingard's place. We should expect healthy competition there till we'll find someone above U-21 level.

 

[settembrini]

Got to make the bench for Southampton,surely

I'd start him. Now that Rooney is performing to an acceptable level the right wing is the biggest problem with our team and he could be the solution.

 

[Bubz27]

Any gifs? @GifLord

 

[surf]

I'd start him. Now that Rooney is performing to an acceptable level the right wing is the biggest problem with our team and he could be the solution.

He's a more talented player than Lingard and a better winger and can score goals so I hope he is preferred sooner rather than later.