[noodlehair]

He's started one game for us and he was absolutely shite in it. Honestly the fuss in this thread is ridiculous.

He will get his chance eventually if he puts the work in but there was no way he was appearing again anytime soon after that City game. Honestly how anyone could have thought any different is bizarre. It doesn't mean there's a problem or that he's going to be sold, or that Jose has some agenda against him. It just means he has to shape up before he can come back into the fold.

 

[Garethw]

Well, as a start the myth that he was player of the year in the Bundesliga is annoyingly persistent just like it was with Kagawa. Doesn't matter how often someone posts that they really weren't.

I meant in the sense that he was a top player for Dortmund only to not fit in at United.

 

[Ole90+3]

Didn't Mourinho sign Cuadrado and barely play him? Felipe Luis as well?

I always sort of thought that it may have been due to Abramovich's apparent influence on the team selection, but obviously no one knows.

 

[horsechoker]

I think its best we wait until the end of the week then we will know or not whether something is going on behind the scenes.

 

[Borden]

He's started one game for us and he was absolutely shite in it. Honestly the fuss in this thread is ridiculous.

He will get his chance eventually if he puts the work in but there was no way he was appearing again anytime soon after that City game. Honestly how anyone could have thought any different is bizarre. It doesn't mean there's a problem or that he's going to be sold, or that Jose has some agenda against him. It just means he has to shape up before he can come back into the fold.

Why not? Lingard did, and he was equally shit.

 

[golden_blunder]

Just read something very worrying about this whole thing that if true, his time at the club is over already.

Could be false but apparently after his sub in the City game he almost immediately broke down in tears after the game and begun asking for a transfer out in Jan, Jose was apparently shocked at just how weak mentally he is and just wont stand for it and has decided to cut him loose unless he sorts himself out "we are men not boys".

Questionable source but if true there is only one option and thats out the door, pathetic from him if true.

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Load of shite. Asked to leave because he got substituted? Every player gets substituted at some point, do you really believe the crap you posted?
Seriously have some self control and stop posting shite

 

[JPRouve]

Didn't Mourinho sign Cuadrado and barely play him? Felipe Luis as well?

I always sort of thought that it may have been due to Abramovich's apparent influence on the team selection, but obviously no one knows.

The Felipe Luis case was shocking.

 

[noodlehair]

Why not? Lingard did, and he was equally shit.

Was he? I seem to remember Mkhitaryan being the worst player on the pitch by an absolute mile. He was that out of sorts I'd have predicted there and then he wouldn't be playing in any PL games for a while. Maybe the odd Europa League appearance but Jose seems to be taking that semi seriously as well.

You can't play someone who looks that far off the level they need to be at if you want to win games. For all we know he's been similar in training since. If not then eventually he'll get a chance to play and if he plays well he'll get more after that....but he put himself at the bottom of the pecking order with that performance.

In fact I suspect he was given some kind of scheme to get up to speed in terms of the physical and intensity side of things, and will be seen again once that starts paying off...and if that is the case there's really no need for anyone to panic, even if they are in love with him. It doesn't happen overnight.

 

[FreeMkhi]

If this were true, and United had no intention of playing him again, what would be the point of Management asking the armenian FA not to play him during the last international break?

As for Mkhi not being physical/intense enough for the PL, Dortmund is one of the most intense teams out there and the Bundesliga as a whole is quite physical/fast paced. Sure it's more technical and less physical than the EPL but not to the point where he would struggle to adapt at all.

And Mkhi wasn't just an offensive machine last year. He's a workhorse and won the most balls in the middle third out of any player in the Bundesliga last year.

I think this all has to do with him pouting that he's being played out of position and Mourinho doesn't like any player criticising him. And probably one or two fallouts between the two about Mkhis role/lack of playing time has led to this. This is obviously speculation on my part but that's what I take from this whole thing.

 

[Borden]

Was he? I seem to remember Mkhitaryan being the worst player on the pitch by an absolute mile. He was that out of sorts I'd have predicted there and then he wouldn't be playing in any PL games for a while. Maybe the odd Europa League appearance but Jose seems to be taking that semi seriously as well.

You can't play someone who looks that far off the level they need to be at if you want to win games. For all we know he's been similar in training since. If not then eventually he'll get a chance to play and if he plays well he'll get more after that....but he put himself at the bottom of the pecking order with that performance.

In fact I suspect he was given some kind of scheme to get up to speed in terms of the physical and intensity side of things, and will be seen again once that starts paying off...and if that is the case there's really no need for anyone to panic, even if they are in love with him. It doesn't happen overnight.

He hardly played well, and was too soft and lost the ball on a lot, but he wasn't that much worse than the rest of the team, which in fairness was truly shit in that first half. I certainly thought Lingard was every bit as bad as Mkhitaryan.

 

[FreeMkhi]

Actually if you watch him closely during the City game you can see he gets beat to the ball most of the time, that is a sign of an injured player. An errand pass here and there (and bad passes to him) but mostly it was him losing duels in the midfield and he was known for anything but that in the Bundesliga.

 

[Borden]

It was his PL debut from start and he'd only just come back from an injury (which he may have still struggled with).

 

[Brophs]

Didn't Mourinho sign Cuadrado and barely play him? Felipe Luis as well?

I always sort of thought that it may have been due to Abramovich's apparent influence on the team selection, but obviously no one knows.

I could be wrong, but didn't Willin have a very slow start after joining Chelsea. My memory, perhaps wrong, is of him barely playing the first month or two.

 

[RedStarUnited]

Maybe Jose just wants him to fully recover and integrate him slowly.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I could be wrong, but didn't Willin have a very slow start after joining Chelsea. My memory, perhaps wrong, is of him barely playing the first month or two.

I think both him and Oscar were integrated fairly gradually.

 

[Crossie]

Mkhitaryan needs a Manager who makes him feel special & keeps close to him.
It didn't work under Klopp - Tuchel made him feel unique (told him he was the most gifted player he had seen & the best at Dortmund), that's why he played an incredible last season.

With him, it's definitely a mental problem.

Sorry for correcting you as your version of the story isn't accurate.

The main reason for Mkhitaryan's mental stability last season wasn't, as you imply, Tuchel holding his hand and throwing compliments at him. Klopp did that, too.

But Tuchel gave him a book: The inner game of tennis. Good read, BTW. That was the key for Mkhitaryan to successfully fight his inner nagging voices; he was able to let go and stay calm when he didn't do as well as he expected from himself.

Eh? He sold De Bruyne because the player forced a move for regular first team football. Is Mkhitaryan trying to leave for the same reasons?

The situation isn't identical, agree, but the fact remains that Mourinho didn't know how to handle a highly talented player.

 

[RedStarUnited]

I could be wrong, but didn't Willin have a very slow start after joining Chelsea. My memory, perhaps wrong, is of him barely playing the first month or two.

Yep, he only played 90mins twice before December in 13/14.

 

[Brophs]

Yep, he only played 90mins twice before December in 13/14.

Where do you find stats like that?

 

[Crossie]

I can definitely see Mkhitaryan cracking under pressure but the whole adapting to the PL's physicality is so much BS it hurts.

HM was the fittest BVB player last season, played almost all games, most of them full time. He was among those who covered the longest distance, had a fair amount of sprints. Below is how he arrived at 1st day of pre-season training 2015. To compare his physique to Kagawa's is laughable.

All three previous managers praised him multiple times for his training and work ethics. I trust Tuchel's judgement the most because he's infamous for demanding much more in training from players than in matches. He repeatedly praised HM as a true role model and outstanding professional athlete in that regard.

While I would be very surprised if all that had changed in just one summer, I wouldn't be the least surprised if HM struggles to cope with the pressure.

 

[RedStarUnited]

Where do you find stats like that?

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/will...ein=631&liga=&wettbewerb=GB1&pos=&trainer_id=

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

Where do you find stats like that?

transfermarkt.com is the best for those kind of stats.

 

[ZAGREB RED]

I hope I am wrong, but this is starting to look like either Mourinho had the player foisted on to him - unlikely - or maybe the player never really wanted to leave Dortmund. A bit like Kagawa. Something isn't right, although I hope I am wrong, he is just struggling with injury and makes his way back soon and has an impact with United.

 

[Borden]

Mkhi looked delighted when he arrived. And Dortmund did not want to sell him. No way he didn't want to come.

 

[horsechoker]

"Nobody knew who I was until I put on the mask"

 

[Brophs]

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/will...ein=631&liga=&wettbewerb=GB1&pos=&trainer_id=

transfermarkt.com is the best for those kind of stats.

Cheers lads. As I remembered, Willian hadn't made the squad before October. Then 9 mins and a goal v Norwich, 90 mins v Cardiff and then 24 mins v City by exactly this stage of the season. He played 28 mins in the game v Newcastle, 90 v WBA and then didn't get off the bench for the following 2 games over the space of 2 weeks, which brought him to December 1st.

Every player is different, obviously, and the circumstances aren't identical but that would at least indicate that players can recover from a slow start under Mourinho.

 

[Donut]

I read about this technique for dealing with stress where you press your thumb and index finger, exactly how Mikhitaryan is doing it on that picture. If that encounter with his teammate Reus brings such anxiety & stress, then you can imagine the emotional turmoil he is in after coming to United.

 

[Jaap]

Sorry for correcting you as your version of the story isn't accurate.

The main reason for Mkhitaryan's mental stability last season wasn't, as you imply, Tuchel holding his hand and throwing compliments at him. Klopp did that, too.

But Tuchel gave him a book: The inner game of tennis. Good read, BTW. That was the key for Mkhitaryan to successfully fight his inner nagging voices; he was able to let go and stay calm when he didn't do as well as he expected from himself.

Yeah, cheers for that. Interesting book as well.

 

[Crossie]

Questionable source but if true there is only one option and thats out the door, pathetic from him if true.

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Who exactly is this source?

Bless him, perhaps a cup of coco and a footrub from mummy will make him feel better, what an utter pathetic drip. Sort it out, this is the Premier League not daycare centre. Pick your bloody self up and get on with it would be my advice, Jose is being very kind by not throwing him under the bus if this is all true.

He could come out and say Mikhi is mentally weak and seems to need reassurances every time he goes for a dump.

I'm sure Woodward will like that approach. Not only will this raise questions why United bought a player who is known to be sensitive when a manager like José is in charge but it will also ensure United get the lowest possible transfer fee for him when he's sold.

 

[jojose]

Why not? Lingard did, and he was equally shit.

Tbf to Lingard (who i find an odious little cnut on social media) actually had the minerals on him to come out and say "no excuses, i was way off the pace". I think Jesse comes accross as though he's got plenty of edge on him. Personality as a United fan is just as inportant as talent. Not many can handle the level of expectation.

Experienced players have all been taken back by it. Even moyes and lvg openly stated they where suprised at the size of telhe club

 

[Crossie]

Yeah, cheers for that. Interesting book as well.

I didn't mean to sound mean, apologies if I came across as such. It's just that Mkhi spoke many times about how much reading the book helped him, that he was surprised this book helped him more than coaches saying pretty much the same things to him.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Who exactly is this source?


I'm sure Woodward will like that approach. Not only will this raise questions why United bought a player who is known to be sensitive when a manager like José is in charge but it will also ensure United get the lowest possible transfer fee for him when he's sold.

If true it would answer quite a few questions, but cant say I am convinced it is true.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

how reliable is this twitter @Schweinmaster source.

 

[Cnaiür urs Skiötha]

Well maybe some of us (including myself) are expecting too much of this Fellah.

However, as our attacking Play has been absymal during the last games I cannot help but put my trust in Mhki (and Martial).

 

[Borden]

I read about this technique for dealing with stress where you press your thumb and index finger, exactly how Mikhitaryan is doing it on that picture. If that encounter with his teammate Reus brings such anxiety & stress, then you can imagine the emotional turmoil he is in after coming to United.

Let's not read too much into every single detail..

 

[Borden]

Tbf to Lingard (who i find an odious little cnut on social media) actually had the minerals on him to come out and say "no excuses, i was way off the pace". I think Jesse comes accross as though he's got plenty of edge on him. Personality as a United fan is just as inportant as talent. Not many can handle the level of expectation.

Experienced players have all been taken back by it. Even moyes and lvg openly stated they where suprised at the size of telhe club

I've defended Lingard plenty on here (even though he is an annoying little fecker off the pitch), but he was one of our worst players vs. City, and he wasn't frozen out as a result.

 

[jojose]

I've defended Lingard plenty on here (even though he is an annoying little fecker off the pitch), but he was one of our worst players vs. City, and he wasn't frozen out as a result.

Thats why i think its a personality thing. I think jose has give the pair of them both barrels and even called em out in public.

Jesse has held his hands up and said "yeah inwas shite, but dont give me that ill orove you wrong"

Henrikh had a fanny fit and a cry

 

[Maradona10]

how reliable is this twitter @Schweinmaster source.

Its a twitter account who claim to be connected with some sources. The name is United Pages or something. This guy copied their story.
This i believe is their original article

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How can they know what happened in a dressing room is very very shady. I dont think they have any credibility. They just post rumours and claim to have sources.

 

[Maradona10]

He hardly played well, and was too soft and lost the ball on a lot, but he wasn't that much worse than the rest of the team, which in fairness was truly shit in that first half. I certainly thought Lingard was every bit as bad as Mkhitaryan.

Wasnt too bad, i mean he showed for the ball and did not hide. He wanted to play and tried, it was his match after a long time. I think there is no way mourinho is seriously giving up on a player of this talent.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

45 minutes played the whole season and already this story is taking on a life of its own.

People connecting dot's that are not there or putting 2&2 together and coming out with an apple crumble.

 

[arthurka]

Jose is to blame for this. He wanted the player and should've known he needs special treatment to perform.

José has no problem with special treatment, Zlatan and Pogba get it week in week out.. Play like donkey's and still starting every match..

 

[Sparky10Legend]

If you don't think there's something fishy , bearing in mind history etc, then you are deluded.

Clearly not wanted here.

Fault?, who knows, but Jose doesn't want him