[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

Because he was an unique LM/AM :

Thing about that video is how much he breaks the lines and motors forward. I've seen none of that here, I understand if playing with a two he is concerned with losing the ball etc.

Seems like you have to let him have the reigns off and make him your sole attacking outlet.

Now who are the best players we can get who can enable us to get the best out of him?

 

[sammsky1]

He creates chances in pretty much every game he plays. He's not the finished article yet obviously but if you haven't been able to see his outrageous talent so far I'd have to question your eyesight.

He does ok in a Danny Welbeck kind of way against shite teams when the rest of the team are bossing it.

My eye sight is fine

 

[Litch]

People need to put down the crack pipe...

 

[AXVnee7]

Don't be absolutely ridiculous because he's had a poor game. He's absolute quality and when he proves it, you'll all will pretend to have amnesia bout the crap you've wrote before it. It's easy to critique when he's played bad, I suggest those who have wrote how bad he's been a signing stick with this for the rest of his career here....

You must've quoted the wrong post because I haven't claimed he's a bad player or anything. I just wanted to ask what bar to judge him against.

 

[ArmchairCritic]

Indeed. For all the talk of bottling or lack of focus, it's poor decision making that lets him down more often.

For all his talents, he isn't exactly the most intelligent player I've ever seen.

I think he's improving, his positioning defensively for instance has gotten better as the season has gone on. It's all about picking the right passes and maintaining his composure and setting the tempo now, I think Pogba was lucky to grow in a team that was already winning and full of experience and now he's a situation where he has to lead and he's still adapting. Pogba at the moment is a bit more Giggs in midfield (incredible balls over the top) than Scholes (tempo).

 

[Shark]

No doubt he'll get defended again on here for being shit, but yeah, he was fecking shit. Also, he is nowhere close to being one of the best midfielders in the world from what he's shown at United so far.

 

[sammsky1]

Wow.

What's to laugh at?

Fellaini has kept to his job description far closer than Paul dabber Pogba this season.

 

[Jib]

The problem with these videos are that they are a show reel. Pogba did plenty of tricks even today especially that nice little play that won us a free-kick. It doesn't show what he does over a 90 minute period, which is what I'm trying to get at.

You can't watch a 50-minutes video in 5 minutes!
He's far from his level at Juve because he plays in a different position with very little freedom compared to what he had in Juventus.

And it shouldn't be forgotten that Pogba had only 10 days to prepare the whole season and that he played every 3 days 90 minutes since the 20 August ( french NT and Manchester United ) !

I don't even know if a player has played more games than him in the world this season . And at such an unusual and exhausting position for him (DM / CM).

 

[Terminator]

He is a SHIT finisher, but the other facets of his game are very good. Poor game today.

 

[sammsky1]

Don't be absolutely ridiculous because he's had a poor game. He's absolute quality and when he proves it, you'll all will pretend to have amnesia bout the crap you've wrote before it. It's easy to critique when he's played bad, I suggest those who have wrote how bad he's been a signing stick with this for the rest of his career here....

again, somebody promising jam tomorrow. Every time it's the promise of tomorrow

 

[amolbhatia50k]

He needs to work on his finishing and overall composure/maturity.

But I don't think he was helped by Mourinho's tactics which were poor.

 

[AXVnee7]

You can't watch a 50-minute video in 5 minutes!
He's far from his level at Juve because he plays in a different position with very little freedom compared to what he had in Juventus.

And it should not be forgotten that Pogba had only 10 days to prepare the season and that it plays every 3 days 90 minutes since August 20 ( french NT and Manchester United ) !

I don't even know if a player has played more games than him in the world this season ( . And at such an unusual and exhausting position for him (DM / CM).

With all due respect I'm not going to watch the video. It's not going to answer my question.

Only someone who followed his games at Juventus can give me what I'm asking for.

 

[Tosicsleftpeg]

Awful today needs a rest I think but we have no one to replace him.

 

[Baxter]

What's to laugh at?

Fellaini has kept to his job description far closer than Paul dabber Pogba this season.

One of 'the worst players ever'. Laughable doesn't even cover that statement. And yeah, clearly. As shown by the fact he doesn't get a game. I'm sure you were very content with how Fellaini did his job against Everton though, amongst his other fantastic performances.

 

[3KDré]

I honestly think that we should drop him, he should know that this performance is not acceptable.

 

[Nighteyes]

He does ok in a Danny Welbeck kind of way against shite teams when the rest of the team are bossing it.

My eye sight is fine

fecks sake

He has to improve in the big games but other than that he has that touch of genius about him.

 

[Brwned]

So you guys keep on telling me. But You have nothing to base your view on.

And if he does suddenly become good, it in no way diminishes how over adulated and over rated he has been by his fanboys. My post is a perfectly reasonable assessment of Pogba's game today.

If he becomes world class, big fcuking deal, we paid a handsome price for that privilege. What is clear is that he is likely costing us a top 4 position as a Manchester United no 8 should be winning games for us, as opposed to holding us back.

Utter shite.

All that's needed to support that view is a fair analysis of his talent. It's remarkably obvious that he's extremely talented.

Do you think Roy Keane never lost his head and threw away games when he was young? Feck me he was still doing it in his later years. They're at very different ends of the spectrum mentality-wise and yet they still had some of the same issues that all younger players have. Even the exceptional talents bought for record fees.

At almost exactly the same age as Pogba is now (23 going on 24), our beloved Roy Keane got 3 red cards in 6 months back in '95, one in a semi-final and another in a match against the then title holders Blackburn. Obviously getting sent off is a much more manly way to have a meltdown than continuously trying to be creative and decisive but fluffing his lines. Sometimes that's all that matters. Silly perceptions.

It's also worth pointing out he was the league's most expensive player in that team that, to use a caf favourite, bottled the league to Blackburn in the league following an awful March and April period where they couldn't get a win against Spurs, Liverpool, Leeds or Chelsea. They followed that up with the tragedy that was that West Ham game and the loss in the FA Cup final to Everton. If that happened now Roy Keane would be getting torn apart given he's an easy target as the most expensive player. It'd be ridiculous to do that now, though.

We like to deify our past heroes and tear apart our future heroes but you can't escape the facts. All of the things you criticise Pogba for were applicable to our #16 (or our #8 in position) back in the day, but people are quick to forget that. There's so much drama around Pogba. Who gives a feck about the hype. The hype's in your head. It's your perception of it. Forget about all that and just look at the player for what he is: an exceptional talent who still has a lot to learn. Exactly like our record signing over 2 decades ago.

 

[George Beast]

Help me decide which was the biggest fraud....

Us selling Depay to Lyon for £20 million ?

Are you implying we robbed them, or they robbed us? Memphis has put in very good performances for Lyon recently so I'm not sure which you mean.

 

[Jib]

With all due respect I'm not going to watch the video. It's not going to answer my question.

Only someone who followed his games at Juventus can give me what I'm asking for.

Don't ask if you don't want to watch the video that explains the hype around this player.

 

[Sigma]

fecks sake

He has to improve in the big games but other than that he has that touch of genius about him.

He's far to inconsistant

 

[AXVnee7]

Don't ask if you don't want to watch the video that explains the hype around this player.

I don't even... Oh forget it...

 

[El Zoido]

I think we should cut him some slack. I'm still a bit fan of him personally.

He plays 90 minutes of every game, perhaps a couple of weeks holiday could sort his head out.

 

[Golden Nugget]

Awful last 20 minutes or so, could have won the game with two chances, fluffed the first and I honestly had no he was doing for the second.. Either shoot or lay it off Mata.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Unbearable thread.

 

[Rory 7]

Not a patch on Roy Keane

It's like they played different sports

 

[Dec9003]

This is the problem when you spend ninety million on a player, when they're poor it's difficult to drop them.
So far his United career has been really underwhelming, he's just not worth what we payed I don't think.
You hear/read all the time about potentially upgrading Herrera, but as it stands he's been comfortably the better player.

 

[Jib]

Thing about that video is how much he breaks the lines and motors forward. I've seen none of that here, I understand if playing with a two he is concerned with losing the ball etc.

Seems like you have to let him have the reigns off and make him your sole attacking outlet.

Now who are the best players we can get who can enable us to get the best out of him?

Weigl/Naingollan behind him

 

[bleedred]

Give over

Thank god Mourinho is not a fool. To think some would rather have Schweinsteiger in the team ahead of him.

Absolute strawman....When did I ever say something like that...

 

[Baxter]

Absolute strawman....When did I ever say something like that...

That wasn't directed at you're post, think there was one a couple before. Meant to quote it as well.

 

[sammsky1]

All that's needed to support that view is a fair analysis of his talent. It's remarkably obvious that he's extremely talented.

Do you think Roy Keane never lost his head and threw away games when he was young? Feck me he was still doing it in his later years. They're at very different ends of the spectrum mentality-wise and yet they still had some of the same issues that all younger players have. Even the exceptional talents bought for record fees.

At almost exactly the same age as Pogba is now (23 going on 24), our beloved Roy Keane got 3 red cards in 6 months back in '95, one in a semi-final and another in a match against the then title holders Blackburn. Obviously getting sent off is a much more manly way to have a meltdown than continuously trying to be creative and decisive but fluffing his lines. Sometimes that's all that matters. Silly perceptions.

It's also worth pointing out he was the league's most expensive player in that team that lost out to Blackburn in the league following an awful March and April period where they couldn't get a win against Spurs, Liverpool, Leeds or Chelsea, which was followed up by the tragedy that was that West Ham game and then the loss in the FA Cup final to Everton. If that happened now Roy Keane would be getting torn apart given he's an easy target as the most expensive player and he'd obviously had some ropey moments in the surrounding period.

We like to deify our past heroes and tear apart our future heroes but you can't escape the facts. All of the things you criticise Pogba for were applicable to our #16 (or our #8 in position) back in the day, but people are quick to forget that. There's so much drama around Pogba. Who gives a feck about the hype. The hype's in your head. It's your perception of it. Forget about all that and just look at the player for what he is: an exceptional talent who still has a lot to learn. Exactly like our record signing over 2 decades ago.

You've tried the deflect the issue with a totally irrelevant essay on Roy Keane, whom I never mentioned in any of my posts? You've been studying Denald Bigly too much. ... see how I did that

You keep telling me that Pogba is an exceptional talent. At the beginning of the season, it was because he did not have a pre season. Then it was because he was settling in. Then it was he couldn't play in a midfield 2. It then became that he had to play no 10 in a midfield 3. Then we were told that that it was no 8 and the team has to be moulded around him. Now we are being told he he a 'young un and still learning' and we'll have to wait til some other mythical stage in the future. (I'm sure I forgot out some other 'explanations').

You describe him as 'an exceptional talent who still has a lot to learn'. Ive not seen him learn anything this season. If anything he has regressed with an arrogant opinion of his own talent, trying things he cant achieve and costing us in the process.

As I wrote before, if Pogba is an exceptional talent, big deal, we have paid for that privilege. It doesn't take a very astute or brave analysis of football to hope that world record signing is a world class player! I'm deeply concerned we have a bought a show pony, or at the very least a player who is costing us dearly this season.

 

[shield]

Ok. That was quite poor. Not terrible, but poor.

Today, he did not have anyone to hold his hand. He was asked to dictate the game as the sole midfielder. No Carrick. No Herrera. No Mikhitaryan. And he gave a very poor account of himself.

Did see a lot of good things, though. Good ability to run with the ball. Nice vision. But he just is not able to put all these together to truly domitate the game.

It will take another year or two for him to truly shine. We are still not even close to sorting out our midfield problem. Seems like we have to invest heavily again improve this area. Hope we invest wisely this time.

 

[ArmchairCritic]

I'm deeply concerned we have a bought a show pony, or at the very least a player who is costing us dearly this season.

What has he cost us on? Can you quantify that? (No snide £89m hahaha jokes either) I'll give the handball vs. Liverpool but today as bad as Pogba was chasing the game wasn't actually Pogba's fault, because you know if Phil Jones had a brain we wouldn't need to chase the game.

 

[Roberto420]

I know Pogba is a darling around here but I'd even say Fellaini has contributed more than Pogba has all season. He's one of the worst midfielders we've ever had as in - he doesn't know what to do there. Absolutely clueless positioning wise. We're playing with a man short when he's in there.

And when he's not contributing with the things he's good at - shooting and passing - he's is worse than Anderson.

Said the same about Anderson before and got crucified by Pogba fanboys

 

[Sylar]

His worst performance for us overall, given the last 20 minutes. His head just went, similar to the Liverpool game at OT.
When things arent going well, he just needs to keep it simple at times rather than trying to force it everytime or take 5 or 6 touches when people are in better positions.

He needs to learn that quickly. His composure just went when it was needed the most.

 

[Brwned]

You've tried the deflect the issue with a totally irrelevant essay on Roy Keane, whom I never mentioned in any of my posts? You've been studying Denald Bigly too much. ... see how I did that

You keep telling me that Pogba is an exceptional talent. At the beginning of the season, it was because he did not have a pre season. Then it was because he was settling in. It then became that he had to play no 10 in a midfield 3. Then we were told that that it was no 8 and the team has to be moulded around him. Now we are being told he he a 'young un and still learning' and we'll have to wait til some other mythical stage in the future. (Im sure I forgot out some other 'explanations' this season).

You describe him as 'an exceptional talent who still has a lot to learn'. Ive not seen him learn anything this season. If anything he has regressed with an arrogant opinion of his own talent, trying thing she cant achieve and costing us in the process.

As I wrote before, if Pogba is an exceptional talent, big deal, we have paid for that privilege. It doesn't take a very astute or brave analysis of football to hope that world record signing is a world class player! I'm deeply concerned we have a bought a show pony, or at the very least a player who is costing us dearly this season.

You mentioned him less than a week ago and your OTT posts still reek of the same conscious ignorance. It's not a tangent it's another way of making a real point.

Stick Vierra, Keane or Yaya into any team or set of team mates and they'd turn up in big games and made it work.

The evidence is right there for you that wasn't the case. At the same age Keane individually bottled it in a cup semi and bottled it against the champions, and was part of a team that bottled the league and the cup. All in the space of 6 months. The standards you're setting for him are absurd because you're comparing him against a mythical version of your hero(es).

It's exactly like this statement from months ago:

The likes of Suarez, Bale and Ronaldo hit the ground running when they moved for similar fee's. Thats the benchmark. Else who did we pay that price?

It's totally wrong. The benchmark you've set is your own, based on wrong information and false perceptions. Yet when that was pointed out to you in very plain terms, you just ignored it because it doesn't suit your narrative or agenda:

Bale had scored once and assisted none by Halloween, 7 games in. He looked like a complete outsider for much of the season too - technically limited, very poor understanding with his team-mates and lacking a clear role that benefited everyone.

By Christmas time Suarez had scored just 3 goals, and his 1st goal in La Liga was on December 20th. No goals in his first 7 La Liga games.

There are mitigating factors for both of those, though. Suárez started the season late because of his biting ban, and Bale was only fully introduced to the starting lineup by late October. The reality is neither did hit the ground running. Bale was actually protected in the beginning.

The major difference here is that they weren't the most important player in the team, they weren't even in the top 3...they could be on the periphery and their team would still win. Pogba isn't being afforded that luxury. He's been thrust in at the deep end and expected to be a superstar within minutes. I don't understand why you don't see that as unrealistic and silly.

Let's not forget that a month into Bale's time at Madrid, you were saying this...

Yep its a very strange market when Bale costs £80m and Ozil £40m. Its almost certifiably mad.

...and many agreed. Bale wasn't a superstar from the off. Most players aren't. The fact you keep expecting them to be and they aren't is your issue not theirs.

 

[SirScholes]

He really drove us forward today, eh @SirScholes ?

Pretty easy to come on and post worthless comments in a game we all played poor in.
Zlatan missed a pen and was shite as wel, he must be past his best too eh
Grow up mate


Edit; it boggles my mind that after a terrible performance where the team let the fans down...again...that fans come online to wind up each other, not say their thoughts on the game but to rub it in that a player they were defending didn't play well a few games later.
Pathetic support

 

[Kag]

I know Pogba is a darling around here but I'd even say Fellaini has contributed more than Pogba has all season. He's one of the worst midfielders we've ever had as in - he doesn't know what to do there. Absolutely clueless positioning wise. We're playing with a man short when he's in there.

And when he's not contributing with the things he's good at - shooting and passing - he's is worse than Anderson.

This post is brilliantly horrendous.

 

[sammsky1]

You mentioned him less than a week ago and your OTT posts still reek of the same conscious ignorance. It's not a tangent it's another way of making a real point.The evidence is right there for you that wasn't the case. At the same age Keane individually bottled it in a cup semi and bottled it against the champions, and was part of a team that bottled the league and the cup. All in the space of 6 months. The standards you're setting for him are absurd because you're comparing him against a mythical version of your hero(es).

It's exactly like this statement from months ago:It's totally wrong. The benchmark you've set is your own, based on wrong information and false perceptions. Yet when that was pointed out to you in very plain terms, you just ignored it because it doesn't suit your narrative or agenda:Let's not forget that a month into Bale's time at Madrid, you were saying this...

...and many agreed. Bale wasn't a superstar from the off. Most players aren't. The fact you keep expecting them to be and they aren't is your issue not theirs.

Yawn, yadda, excuses. Rinse, repeat, copy, paste. Fine, you must be right: Pogba is a genius and I'm a philistine who isn't smart enough to appreciate his genius.

In other news, Donald Trump never met a Russian hooker in his entire life.

Happy?

 

[Dec9003]

For all those defending him, you're well within your rights to do so, but if at the start of the season before we signed him, somebody could tell you he'd be playing like this in March, would you have still said you wanted him?

 

[Eire Red United]

That second half performance is one of the worst I've seen from a first choice United players in my life.

He's an embarrassment to the shirt. Fecking overrated show pony.

I agree with this part but the rest is absolute rubbish.