Romelu Lukaku | United confirm deal subject to medical and personal terms

[MUFC OK]

So Everton want £90m? why is it theres almost a 20% 'mufc tax' on any player we sign? No way should we allow this to cost more than pogba because we he could do without the 'most expensive player' tag. In this case we are in a strong position, Everton need to sell after the business they have done, and we have an asset they want in Rooney.

The offer should be £75m non negotiable.

 

[Revan]

Us being a bigger club than Madrid is pretty much as ridiculous as Spurs fans claiming that Spurs is a bigger club than United.

Saying that, we really pissed off Real with Pogba and De Gea saga.

 

[Borden]

Saha came in January 2004, Rooney came in the summer.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

That is a hard sell when both Madrid and Barcelona are more popular on social media

Also, we have only been top of the money list this last year, while Madrid has been top for 11 years prior (since 2005). Currency fluctuation and sponsorship renewals might see that change again soon.

We have been missing on the biggest stage in recent years while Madrid as won 3 of the last 4 CLs.

Madrid have a more star studded team with CR7 being one of the top 2 most popular players and winner of 3 of the last 4 Ballon d'Or.

Madrid have repeatedly signed top players from most other teams except maybe barcelona and atletico, and have enough pull that they rank top destination for most of the best players and talents e.g. current Mbappe saga.

If any club can claim to be the biggest in the world, Madrid have a better claim than us.

I think the bold bit is per Deloittes? who look at revenue.

If you look at Forbes who look at "worth" or "value" (which personally I see as a clearer indicator), United are top and have been for several years of the last 10.

Back to Lukaku chat.....

 

[SammyUnited_83]

So this isn't happening now?!

 

[Mihai]

If he inhibits the play of others, preventing other attacking players from scoring goals, preventing the midfield from retaining the ball and inviting pressure on our defence, then the costs can obviously outweight the benefits.

If he did all that, do you think we would be spending 75mil on him?

 

[Revan]

If memory serves me right we bought them in the same period. Even though it might not be the case, it was pretty much written on the wall that Rooney will end up at United. Back then we had a near Bayern like dominance in terms of EPL transfers and very few players would dare turning us down.

Ronaldo on summer 2003, Saha in winter of 2004, Rooney in the summer of 2004. All three were signed within one year.

 

[NinjaFletch]

If memory serves me right we bought them in the same period. Even though it might not be the case, it was pretty much written on the wall that Rooney will end up at United. Back then we had a near Bayern like dominance in terms of EPL transfers and very few players would dare turning us down.

We signed Saha in January and Rooney in the summer.

 

[MUFC OK]

Paul joyce already has the figure at 90m + rooney. feck Sky, they ran with Jim whites lies yesterday about "no fee agreed" and this morning is backtracking hard with "well its all about legal issues now"

So annoying how fees get driven up. The myth will end up at '£100m' deal. It's just publicity for the papers, they can stick a fat £90/£100m on the back page of the Sun (murdoch owned) tomorrow and happy days..

 

[devilish]

We signed Saha in January and Rooney in the summer.

Ok my memory is playing tricks on me. Still it was pretty obvious we're going to sign Rooney. The question was when that was going to happen. If I remember well, SAF said that Newcastle forced his hand to buy him earlier then expected.

 

[WPMUFC]

So annoying how fees get driven up. The myth will end up at '£100m' deal. It's just publicity for the papers, they can stick a fat £90/£100m on the back page of the Sun (murdoch owned) tomorrow and happy days..

paul joyce wrote last night that it's 75m base fee + 15 in "easy" addons and Rooney on a free transfer.

Sky have no clue what is going on.

 

[Mihai]

and what has that got to do with a coach expecting his main striker to do more than just score goals? Even with out struggles last season, were Rashford and Martial not asked to track back?

Lukaku, at a minimum, but that is not all he is expected to do.

I don't know what Jose expects him to do, but I can only assume he is interested in him for his ability in front of goal and not for him tracking back.

 

[Rockets Redglare]

So this isn't happening now?!

Where have you got that from?

 

[The Don]

So this isn't happening now?!

Care to elaborate?

 

[WPMUFC]

A poster on /r/reddevils just said Jim white confirmed on talksport that chelsea have definitely missed out?

If true, literally no one is saying chelsea are still in this right?

 

[don't sign old players]

I like the way Jose is building his spine. Bailly- Lindelof + Pogba + Lukaku.
Not everyone was happy with these choices but at least he's taking a calculated punt.

 

[Mike09]

Us being a bigger club than Madrid is pretty much as ridiculous as Spurs fans claiming that Spurs is a bigger club than United.

Saying that, we really pissed off Real with Pogba and De Gea saga.

When you look at the history of the clubs and the trophies. Trying to use Spurs as an example is ridiculous IMO.

 

[Revan]

When you look at the history of the clubs and the trophies. Trying to use Spurs as an example is ridiculous IMO.

Yep. And they have 4 times as much as us European Cups, and almost the double of domestic ones.

 

[el3mel]

A poster on /r/reddevils just said Jim white confirmed on talksport that chelsea have definitely missed out?

If true, literally no one is saying chelsea are still in this right?

All those denied the reports yesterday are withdrawing their words already.

 

[prtk0811]

in practice that hasn't been the case.

Well that's just because it was mourinho reverting to his tried and tested methods in last 2 months and the first month till the chelsea game. Apart from that we Showed it in every game last season including against Arsenal at home liverpool in both legs and City in the League cup, tottenham at home, Chelsea at home and away till the red card, Celta vigo away.

We are capable, But it all depends on mourinho's decision making on the day. He played different tactics against the same opponents too last season like against city or arsenal or totthenham or even celta vigo game at home was a stark difference. He was really unpredictable all season inhis appraoch.

 

[Sultan]

So Lukaku's medical then. I bet he aced it. I bet he is the healthiest person since Donald Trump.

Surely Kim Jong Un would be a match.

 

[Baby Faced Assassin]

Where is the "United medical team have flown to the US" story coming from?

 

[Mike09]

Yep. And they have 4 times as much as us European Cups, and almost the double of domestic ones.

And Spurs looks even 5 times smaller than you can ever imagine in United x madrid. At least pick a better example like Chelsea or something else.

 

[WPMUFC]

All those denied the reports yesterday are withdrawing their words already.

well if Jim white supposedly is the "mouth piece" for the owner/bosses he's made two big backtracks within an hour. So good sign.

That's if Jim White has any source at all and it's not all BS

 

[TheBiggest]

If you say so, actually it sounds nothing like Ruud, especially his first few (Motivated) years here where he was approaching the complete all round frontman but carry on.

All round front man? Van Nistelrooy?

Are you joking? He was nothing but a goalscorer. RvN NEVER scored a goal from outside 10-yards in his entire time with United. He barely even touched the ball outside the box, to be fair. He wasn't involved in link up play...United used wide players to whip in crosses, high and low, and RvN would finish 30 of those crosses a season. That's all he did. He did it briliantly. But to class him as some all-round footballer is delusion. He wasn't a footballer...he was just a finishelr.

 

[Inebriated bison]

I think Lukaku will be the perfect signing for us. One of the biggest problems we had last season was drawing too many games from winning positions against teams below us. If, as people keep saying, Lukaku is a flat track bully who scores most of his goals against lesser teams when already in winning positions then that is actually what we need in order to kill teams off and secure the 3 points.

Another problem we had was that when we were parking the bus and trying to counter attack away against the bigger teams we couldn't score. When ibrahimovic played we didn't have the pace to score on the counter, and when rashford played he didn't have the strength or experience. Good experienced defenders managed to deal with him. If we park the bus and play direct to Lukaku, which is what Mourinho likes to do against the bigger teams, he can run from the half way line and score on his own because he has the strength and pace to do it.

 

[prtk0811]

If he inhibits the play of others, preventing other attacking players from scoring goals, preventing the midfield from retaining the ball and inviting pressure on our defence, then the costs can obviously outweight the benefits.

Yes, This is one aspect yet to be seen how lukaku sets up and coached to play here and how much Mourinho makes it eaisier for the likes of martial and Mkh and rashford here. But it will only be a concern against Top Posession based Philosophies in the league and in europe which Mourinho can solve or improvise.

Also if not Then there is tried and tested mourinho Methods

Typical Man united Isnt it?

 

[WackyWengerWorld]

I don't think Saha created such uproar mainly because he was considered as a cover for new boy Rooney and the goal-machine himself RVN. With Yorke, Teddy and Cole things were pretty different as they were meant to be first teamers. SAF had that troll like behaviour to first go for the top player (Ex Kluivert or Batistuta) only to then settle for the Lidl signing from around the corner. He did make it work though.

Saha had the potential to be world class but injuries ruined it.

 

[TheBiggest]

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Miguel Delaney pretending he has inside information on Chelsea, when he didn't have one darn clue yesterday that Lukaku wasn't actually going there, but to Old Trafford. It's amazing how much these hacks go on pretending they have information, when they all miss what ACTUALLY is going on.

 

[WPMUFC]

Where is the "United medical team have flown to the US" story coming from?

SKY Sports on TV supposedly

 

[Mockney]

Us being a bigger club than Madrid is pretty much as ridiculous as Spurs fans claiming that Spurs is a bigger club than United.

More like Arsenal.

 

[BennyBlanco]

All round front man? Van Nistelrooy?

Are you joking? He was nothing but a goalscorer. RvN NEVER scored a goal from outside 10-yards in his entire time with United. He barely even touched the ball outside the box, to be fair. He wasn't involved in link up play...United used wide players to whip in crosses, high and low, and RvN would finish 30 of those crosses a season. That's all he did. He did it briliantly. But to class him as some all-round footballer is delusion. He wasn't a footballer...he was just a finishelr.

Jesus mate, if thats your opinion so be it, I couldnt disagree more but I dont want to waste a lot of time arguing it.
In that Everton fans view he said, among other things: Lukaku isn't a great player (Ruud was and is regarded as one of Man Utds best strikers of all time I might add), he's inconsistent with his fabled "beast" title, losing out to very average CB's every so often, not a big game player, poor first touch/technique etc.

Think you're doing a massive, massive disservice to Ruud, fecking hell if given the option of Lukaku or a 2001-2003 Ruud I know which one i'd be taking.

 

[NK86]

I don't know why you're comparing Hazard to Lukaku, tbh. One has been touted as a potential world-beating superstar, tore up the French league two seasons in a row and has some genuinely world class facets to his game, the other has had a very good time of it in league football in both Belgium and England thus far, but has never been expected to be an elite of his generation.

Hazard has a lot to do to be mentioned in the same breath as the true top dogs of club football.

With the international football snarc, you're plain and simply being purposely obtuse. It, along with the CL, will always be barometers that assess players as the full(er) product, or the real deal, if you wish.

If we sign him, of course I wish him/us the best and hope he can elevate himself to levels as yet unseen, but where we aspire to be and what he has brought to the table to date are some distance apart. Is Lukaku the guy to lead a CL campaign? When you put his name up against the strikers in the competition, does it match - does he look like he has the same pedigree as them?

And £75m is a lot of money. May well be there or thereabouts the going rate for a performing PL striker over a few seasons, but it is still a hell of a lot of money, and a bit more on top must surely open doors to the elite class of forwards.
Hazard, I've already spoke on; Griezmann is a consistent CL performer and he's done well enough for France where logistics (covered in the Pogba threads) and their sheer depth and options are obviously able to curtail his intl. career.

Ample scope for improvement... so what do you think he can ultimately be? Do you think he can tidy up his game to the point he's par with a Drogba or.. I actually don't know who to insert here because his technical level is some way off the likes of Cole, Yorke or others who came in as one thing and came out as something majestically different. Do you think he will become proficient enough at combination football for our forwards following in off him to trust and run past and/or play off of?

About his goals, I don't know if it has been mentioned in this thread, but we will have to break teams down and won't be in open matches anywhere near as much as he's thrived in at Everton and WBA. Does he then have the skill and nous to still be as effective?

You really need to read en Everton fan's view. @BigDunc9 clearly said that many teams have set up to close shop when playing against Everton and Lukaku has been able to break through these teams. But let's leave that for a minute.

Last season we had Zlatan with us along with the likes of Pogba, Mkhitariyan, Mata, Martial, Herrera - all of whom are technically gifted in their own rights. Yet we were unable to convert our chances or break teams down. You would think that we should have scored far more with that line up of players but we were atrocious. So to assume that one technically good player will suddenly improve us is a massive leap of faith.

What we need is better play from the team, better transition which will help us to move the ball quickly. Lukaku is quicker than Zlatan so that is one thing in our favor that he can actually act as the forward playing off the shoulders of the last defender. That will help us in getting behind tight defenses too. Moreover, no one here says Lukaku will suddenly turn us into world beaters. Doubt even Messi would be able to do that for us. However, as a young striker yet to reach his prime and who has shown consistently that he can be a 20 goal a season striker in the PL, it is well worth the risk. The only other striker I would have from a rival (as an out and out #9) would be Harry Kane. But we all know that it is nigh on impossible to prize him away from Spurs especially at this stage. Even then the cost would be easily 100 mil pounds plus for Levy to even think about that possibility.

Think Mbappe, a guy with half a good season under him and being touted as a 100 mil plus player and we are getting an established PL striker (who is only 24) at 75 mil. I would say this is a very good deal for both sides. Lukaku would really help us in Zlatan's absence. He won't make us champions all alone because we will need far more than that to get over the line in terms of goals from the remaining side. However, he will help us go a long way in the right direction.

 

[Robbie Boy]

You really need to read en Everton fan's view. @BigDunc9 clearly said that many teams have set up to close shop when playing against Everton and Lukaku has been able to break through these teams. But let's leave that for a minute.

Last season we had Zlatan with us along with the likes of Pogba, Mkhitariyan, Mata, Martial, Herrera - all of whom are technically gifted in their own rights. Yet we were unable to convert our chances or break teams down. You would think that we should have scored far more with that line up of players but we were atrocious. So to assume that one technically good player will suddenly improve us is a massive leap of faith.

What we need is better play from the team, better transition which will help us to move the ball quickly. Lukaku is quicker than Zlatan so that is one thing in our favor that he can actually act as the forward playing off the shoulders of the last defender. That will help us in getting behind tight defenses too. Moreover, no one here says Lukaku will suddenly turn us into world beaters. Doubt even Messi would be able to do that for us. However, as a young striker yet to reach his prime and who has shown consistently that he can be a 20 goal a season striker in the PL, it is well worth the risk. The only other striker I would have from a rival (as an out and out #9) would be Harry Kane. But we all know that it is nigh on impossible to prize him away from Spurs especially at this stage. Even then the cost would be easily 100 mil pounds plus for Levy to even think about that possibility.

Think Mbappe, a guy with half a good season under him and being touted as a 100 mil plus player and we are getting an established PL striker (who is only 24) at 75 mil. I would say this is a very good deal for both sides. Lukaku would really help us in Zlatan's absence. He won't make us champions all alone because we will need far more than that to get over the line in terms of goals from the remaining side. However, he will help us go a long way in the right direction.

Fantastic post to counteract the nonsense.

 

[prtk0811]

Us being a bigger club than Madrid is pretty much as ridiculous as Spurs fans claiming that Spurs is a bigger club than United.

Saying that, we really pissed off Real with Pogba and De Gea saga.

I think English fans dont realize how big man united are.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

I don't know what Jose expects him to do, but I can only assume he is interested in him for his ability in front of goal and not for him tracking back.

Mourinho always expects all his players to defend - no exceptions

 

[Massive Spanner]

I think English fans dont realize how big man united are.

I think they don't realize how big Real are, if they do think Utd are a bigger club.

 

[Baby Faced Assassin]

SKY Sports on TV supposedly

Jesus. So its bull shit really.

 

[Yagami]

But that's precisely what I mean by a technicality. We know we're not the biggest when it comes to any metric that actually matters - success, a preferable destination for most players, etc - so using the term in a deliberately literal way in order aggrandize ourselves just seems a tad sad. It's like claiming you're the most popular kid in school 'cos you've got the most Twitter followers whilst the captain of the football teams swans off with the girl and a bunch of actual friends.

When you put it like that I see where you're coming from, and I agree in regards to success, etc, we're 2nd fiddle. It's just that the term "biggest" in this sense means most recognisable/more supported to me and, whilst there's no sure point evidence that backs the claim that we are these things anyway, it's not an outlandish claim.

What I'm trying to say that it depends on how the individual interprets the term "biggest" in this context. If by "biggest" you think most recognisable/supported, which is always what I've associated the term with, I think those who claim we are aren't crazy though it's nothing more than a bragging right - as pointless as that is. If you think, as you said yourself, the term is used for "success, preferable desitination, etc" (which actually matters!) then it's clearly Madrid.

I'm probably just out of the loop in regards to the general meaning for the majority in this context and have to realise that "biggest" is in the sense of the latter description above rather than the former, which I always associated it with for no other than the simple reason of that's how I interpreted it.

 

[WPMUFC]

Jesus. So its bull shit really.

Sky have just released an article saying everton want addons.

Paul Joyce confirmed about 5-6 hours ago the agreed fee included 15 million in "easy addons"

Sky sports are fecking trash.