Victor Lindelof image 2

Victor Lindelof Sweden flag

2017-18 Performances


View full 2017-18 profile

5.8 Season Average Rating
Appearances
29
Clean sheets
13
Goals
0
Assists
0
Yellow cards
1
Status
Not open for further replies.

hn4manunited

Full Member
Joined
Aug 23, 2016
Messages
931
Another solid performance for young victor! Played well and hassled Sanchez all first half.

Wonderful to see him making solid positive progress!!! Keep up the great work son!

The folks on here who nitpicks need to either go play some football or coach some football to try to understand this beautiful game. Not making any mistake and playing a perfect no-error game is not common. This game is all about minimizing errors and if there were errors, keep them to the ones that have less impact to the game. Then you try and try again!
 

12OunceEpilogue

In perfect harmony
Scout
Joined
Oct 2, 2016
Messages
18,447
Location
Wigan
He was fine. If he was man-marking Sanchez then he did a fecking brilliant job.

He wasn't though. He was just good.
 

kouroux

45k posts to finally achieve this tagline
Joined
Apr 25, 2007
Messages
96,318
Location
Djibouti (La terre des braves)
Sanchez was horrendous throughout the game.
I thought so too. Sanchez was terrible, he got to the ball a lot indeed but did feck all with it. Lindelof cannot prevent him from touching it but he can prevent his impact on it and he did that just fine.
 

Classical Mechanic

Full Member
Joined
Aug 25, 2014
Messages
35,216
Location
xG Zombie Nation
Sanchez was horrendous throughout the game.
Except arsenal fans think Sanchez had his worst ever game so not nothing
As I mentioned earlier, people view the game through the result, if Arsenal had converted more of their 33 attempts or De Gea had been off form a different view of our defenders would be taken. Sanchez made more key passes than any other player for either team, he also played that cracking ball for Ramsey for their goal. He was far far better than when he came to OT last season and was bullied by Tuanzebe, for example. It seems that Arsenal fans are being reactive through frustration at the result by saying it was his worst ever game.

Our centre backs were poor. De Gea was in God mode and Arsenal profligate with their finishing.
 

prath92

Full Member
Joined
Apr 24, 2015
Messages
12,322
Location
India
As I mentioned earlier, people view the game through the result, if Arsenal had converted more of their 33 attempts or De Gea had been off form a different view of our defenders would be taken. Sanchez made more key passes than any other player for either team, he also played that cracking ball for Ramsey for their goal. He was far far better than when he came to OT last season and was bullied by Tuanzebe, for example. It seems that Arsenal fans are being reactive.

Our centre backs were poor. De Gea was in God mode and Arsenal profligate with their finishing.
Most of their shots on target were decent at best. Shots from outside the box is simple stuff for DDG. We were comfortable after the 60th min
 

prath92

Full Member
Joined
Apr 24, 2015
Messages
12,322
Location
India
They had more than enough good chances to get a result. I don’t think we can deny that.
Which our keeper saved. Which is the job of a keeper. Not like other teams play without one. They had barely any chance after an hour and lindelof was very good.
 

Gusjaros

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Oct 15, 2017
Messages
254
Supports
Several teams
As I mentioned earlier, people view the game through the result, if Arsenal had converted more of their 33 attempts or De Gea had been off form a different view of our defenders would be taken. Sanchez made more key passes than any other player for either team, he also played that cracking ball for Ramsey for their goal. He was far far better than when he came to OT last season and was bullied by Tuanzebe, for example. It seems that Arsenal fans are being reactive through frustration at the result by saying it was his worst ever game.

Our centre backs were poor. De Gea was in God mode and Arsenal profligate with their finishing.
Did Tuanzebe play against Arsenal at Old Trafford last season? Maybe you mean the away game, that Arsenal won with 2-0?

There are statistics sites (Squawka for instance) that show Sanchez 5 "key passes". It's visible that all but one of those key passes were delivered to outside the box (3) or from a wide angle (1) and the pass that got to a good position inside the box came from the opposite flank.

Regarding Sanchez attempts three were blocked, out of the two that hit target one was outside the box and, if I remember it correctly, the one that most people remember (that was miraculously saved by De Gea) was from an offside position not spotted by the linesman?

I think your use of statistics is comedical at best. He produced the most "key passes" so what? If you pass a ball to a guy outside the box who shoots wide or straight on De Gea who cares?

How about mentioning statistics that says Sanchez lost possession more than any other player (34 times)? Maybe that doesn't fit your narrative well enough?
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Invictus

Kostov

Full Member
Joined
Jul 4, 2017
Messages
9,463
Location
Skopje, Macedonia
Big test passed yesterday, I feel he is getting better and better with every game. It seemed like he was more assured than Rojo who had difficulties handling Lacazette.
 

arthurka

Full Member
Joined
Jan 20, 2010
Messages
18,759
Location
Rectum
Why are you blaming him for falling deep? Strange comment to make in his performance thread. Not his fault is it.
I didn't I clearly said we fell deep. I thought he did well overall.. It was tough to see any players standing out in the second because we were all packed into the area..
 

simmee

Full Member
Joined
Dec 19, 2012
Messages
940
Did Tuanzebe play against Arsenal at Old Trafford last season? Maybe you mean the away game, that Arsenal won with 2-0?

There are statistics sites (Squawka for instance) that show Sanchez 5 "key passes". It's visible that all but one of those key passes were delivered to outside the box (3) or from a wide angle (1) and the pass that got to a good position inside the box came from the opposite flank.

Regarding Sanchez attempts three were blocked, out of the two that hit target one was outside the box and, if I remember it correctly, the one that most people remember (that was miraculously saved by De Gea) was from an offside position not spotted by the linesman?

I think your use of statistics is comedical at best. He produced the most "key passes" so what? If you pass a ball to a guy outside the box who shoots wide or straight on De Gea who cares?

How about mentioning statistics that says Sanchez lost possession more than any other player (34 times)? Maybe that doesn't fit your narrative well enough?
Great post! The bias from @Classical Mechanic was there for everyone to see as well with ending every post with "like Tuanzebe did".
 

Lawman

Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016
Joined
Dec 21, 2006
Messages
10,639
Location
Scotland
As I mentioned earlier, people view the game through the result, if Arsenal had converted more of their 33 attempts or De Gea had been off form a different view of our defenders would be taken. Sanchez made more key passes than any other player for either team, he also played that cracking ball for Ramsey for their goal. He was far far better than when he came to OT last season and was bullied by Tuanzebe, for example. It seems that Arsenal fans are being reactive through frustration at the result by saying it was his worst ever game.

Our centre backs were poor. De Gea was in God mode and Arsenal profligate with their finishing.
Our central defenders were poor I agree they were all over the place at points and lots of last ditch defending and poor finishing and great GK is changing the narrative. Thought Lindelof was the best of our back 3 though then Smalling and thought Rojo was an accident waiting to happen (injury comeback probably).
 

Castia

Full Member
Joined
Jun 18, 2011
Messages
18,440
He’s starting to look the part especially in a back 3, fair play to him let’s hope he keeps it up.
 

Dobbs

New Member
Joined
Sep 2, 2015
Messages
4,696
Looking better but I don't really remember him making many tackles. Still needs to ramp up his physicality.
 

Classical Mechanic

Full Member
Joined
Aug 25, 2014
Messages
35,216
Location
xG Zombie Nation
Did Tuanzebe play against Arsenal at Old Trafford last season? Maybe you mean the away game, that Arsenal won with 2-0?

There are statistics sites (Squawka for instance) that show Sanchez 5 "key passes". It's visible that all but one of those key passes were delivered to outside the box (3) or from a wide angle (1) and the pass that got to a good position inside the box came from the opposite flank.

Regarding Sanchez attempts three were blocked, out of the two that hit target one was outside the box and, if I remember it correctly, the one that most people remember (that was miraculously saved by De Gea) was from an offside position not spotted by the linesman?

I think your use of statistics is comedical at best. He produced the most "key passes" so what? If you pass a ball to a guy outside the box who shoots wide or straight on De Gea who cares?

How about mentioning statistics that says Sanchez lost possession more than any other player (34 times)? Maybe that doesn't fit your narrative well enough?
OK the key passes were a little misleading. This is what Lindelof let Sanchez do far too much off yesterday


Not tight enough and letting Sanchez create. He was working Lindelof far too easily. Sanchez found players in and around our box far too often.
 

A-man

Full Member
Joined
Nov 25, 2017
Messages
6,357
Not tight enough and letting Sanchez create. He was working Lindelof far too easily. Sanchez found players in and around our box far too often.
He could have done better in that situation, I agree, but many players failed. Matic could have helped him, and two players totally free two meters from goal with the time to make a pass... also Rojo and Smalling could have done better. However, when goals are made, you will almost aleays find that one or two of the CB didn’t make the best of the situation. There is simply very little room for errors in that position. And we are talking about Sanchez, one of the absolute best players in PL. Any defence will have problem with him. All three CB struggled last night, but in the end three points away against a well playing Arsenal. Think all three did ok, except some of the clumsy tackles in the box.
 

Gusjaros

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Oct 15, 2017
Messages
254
Supports
Several teams
OK the key passes were a little misleading. This is what Lindelof let Sanchez do far too much off yesterday


Not tight enough and letting Sanchez create. He was working Lindelof far too easily. Sanchez found players in and around our box far too often.
Nope, that's basically the only situation that Sanchez won vs Lindelöf.
 

Classical Mechanic

Full Member
Joined
Aug 25, 2014
Messages
35,216
Location
xG Zombie Nation

Gusjaros

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Oct 15, 2017
Messages
254
Supports
Several teams
Right, so your memory was failing you, not the opposite. Maybe you should review the match from yesterday and freshen up your memory. Fans, papers, statistics all say that Lindelöf did a good job.
 

Classical Mechanic

Full Member
Joined
Aug 25, 2014
Messages
35,216
Location
xG Zombie Nation
Right, so your memory was failing you, not the opposite. Maybe you should review the match from yesterday and freshen up your memory. Fans, papers, statistics all say that Lindelöf did a good job.
The reports say that all our defence did a good job which is nonsense frankly. Arsenal should have beaten us. Their xG was vastly superior to ours. Our midfield and defence were simply not good enough in preventing chance creation. We won because our forwards were exceptionally clinical, De Gea had an amazing performance and because Arsenal finished very poorly.

 

breakout67

Full Member
Joined
Apr 17, 2017
Messages
9,050
Supports
Man City
The reports say that all our defence did a good job which is nonsense frankly. Arsenal should have beaten us. Their xG was vastly superior to ours. Our midfield and defence were simply not good enough in preventing chance creation. We won because our forwards were exceptionally clinical, De Gea had an amazing performance and because Arsenal finished very poorly.
I'm not sure you understand what xG means. xG does not say whether you should score a chance or not. It gives the probability of a chance being a goal based on the average of a set of players. So the average player versus the average goalie in a given situation will have a specific xG.

De Gea is one of the best goal keepers in the world and the best shot stopper in the world. A shot with an xG of 0.5 will not go in 50% of the time against De Gea. Add to this that Arsenal are not known for their finishing and you have yesterdays performance.

Yesterday was not a one-off for De Gea, he put these type of performances in every season post-SAF. There's a saying that a world class keeper can save you 15 points a season; thats the level of goal keeper we have. Arsenal should not and did not beat us, because De Gea does what he has done regularly while playing for us.
 

Classical Mechanic

Full Member
Joined
Aug 25, 2014
Messages
35,216
Location
xG Zombie Nation
I'm not sure you understand what xG means. xG does not say whether you should score a chance or not. It gives the probability of a chance being a goal based on the average of a set of players. So the average player versus the average goalie in a given situation will have a specific xG.

De Gea is one of the best goal keepers in the world and the best shot stopper in the world. A shot with an xG of 0.5 will not go in 50% of the time against De Gea. Add to this that Arsenal are not known for their finishing and you have yesterdays performance.

Yesterday was not a one-off for De Gea, he put these type of performances in every season post-SAF. There's a saying that a world class keeper can save you 15 points a season; thats the level of goal keeper we have. Arsenal should not and did not beat us, because De Gea does what he has done regularly while playing for us.
I'm not sure what you are on about. I said the reasons why the xG was not realised, including the performance from De Gea!?

Regardless, if forwards finish to the optimum level a goalkeeper cannot save the shot.

Pertaining to this conversation, the xG indicates how our midfield and defence were inept in preventing Arsenal from getting in very good goalscoring positions.
 

Gusjaros

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Oct 15, 2017
Messages
254
Supports
Several teams
The reports say that all our defence did a good job which is nonsense frankly. Arsenal should have beaten us. Their xG was vastly superior to ours. Our midfield and defence were simply not good enough in preventing chance creation. We won because our forwards were exceptionally clinical, De Gea had an amazing performance and because Arsenal finished very poorly.
Take a look at @11tegen11. There are many xG models and who's to say that the one you quote is the most precise one.

It's obvious that your logic is flawed based on the fact that the xG number is dependent on the scoreline.

In 11tegen11's twitter account it's clearly visible that Man Utd and Arsenal were level on xG up until 2-0, from that point Man Utd fell back and defended, resulting in a lower xG at full-time, while Arsenal pushed up and attacked, resulting in a higher xG at full-time then what would've been the case if the score line at halftime had been say 0-0.
 

SirAF

Ageist
Joined
Sep 28, 2003
Messages
37,661
Location
The reports say that all our defence did a good job which is nonsense frankly. Arsenal should have beaten us. Their xG was vastly superior to ours. Our midfield and defence were simply not good enough in preventing chance creation. We won because our forwards were exceptionally clinical, De Gea had an amazing performance and because Arsenal finished very poorly.

Not this "xG" stuff again!
 

Bestietom

Full Member
Joined
Dec 16, 2013
Messages
8,021
Location
Ireland
He is doing fine now,let him be. He is bedding in nicely and those that do not like him are looking for scraps to run him down. Give the young man some credit. He will turn out to be tops here.
 

Classical Mechanic

Full Member
Joined
Aug 25, 2014
Messages
35,216
Location
xG Zombie Nation
Take a look at @11tegen11. There are many xG models and who's to say that the one you quote is the most precise one.

It's obvious that your logic is flawed based on the fact that the xG number is dependent on the scoreline.

In 11tegen11's twitter account it's clearly visible that Man Utd and Arsenal were level on xG up until 2-0, from that point Man Utd fell back and defended, resulting in a lower xG at full-time, while Arsenal pushed up and attacked, resulting in a higher xG at full-time then what would've been the case if the score line at halftime had been say 0-0.
I don’t agree. A high xG is indicative of the opposition getting into good goalscoring positions. We have sat in against other big sides and not conceded such a plethora of gilt edge chances. In fact, according to understat, that is the highest xG that any side has achieved against us since they started recording xG four years ago! That site has a slightly lower rating than Opta like your friend on Twitter.
 

breakout67

Full Member
Joined
Apr 17, 2017
Messages
9,050
Supports
Man City
I'm not sure what you are on about. I said the reasons why the xG was not realised, including the performance from De Gea!?

Regardless, if forwards finish to the optimum level a goalkeeper cannot save the shot.

Pertaining to this conversation, the xG indicates how our midfield and defence were inept in preventing Arsenal from getting in very good goalscoring positions.
I'm not a fan of saying that a team 'should' do something in football, because it's very much saying something in hindsight. I don't think Arsenal should have beaten us, because their finishing was poor all night, and I think that had to do with the fact that they were 2-0 down so quickly. They were not mentally prepared to be in the situation they were in because they have won every game at home.

I disagree with you assessment regarding xG and the midfield. There were close to ten times where we should have cleared our lines but we didnt, defending in the box was very poor and almost every time we cleared the ball it travelled a few feet straight to an Arsenal player. A lot of their threat came from wide areas, which is what the midfield should be doing because we are usually very strong when facing crosses.
 

Classical Mechanic

Full Member
Joined
Aug 25, 2014
Messages
35,216
Location
xG Zombie Nation
I'm not a fan of saying that a team 'should' do something in football, because it's very much saying something in hindsight. I don't think Arsenal should have beaten us, because their finishing was poor all night, and I think that had to do with the fact that they were 2-0 down so quickly. They were not mentally prepared to be in the situation they were in because they have won every game at home.

I disagree with you assessment regarding xG and the midfield. There were close to ten times where we should have cleared our lines but we didnt, defending in the box was very poor and almost every time we cleared the ball it travelled a few feet straight to an Arsenal player. A lot of their threat came from wide areas, which is what the midfield should be doing because we are usually very strong when facing crosses.
That is where we have to agree to disagree then. I am of the belief that if we play like that against City then we will concede 3+ goals. I felt we got away with it yesterday.
 

breakout67

Full Member
Joined
Apr 17, 2017
Messages
9,050
Supports
Man City
That is where we have to agree to disagree then. I am of the belief that if we play like that against City then we will concede 3+ goals. I felt we got away with it yesterday.
Fair enough. We can atleast agree on one thing; if we let City get that many chances then they will punish us because they have so many better players than Arsenal.
 

kaiz

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Jun 5, 2016
Messages
117
@Classical Mechanic Watch the highlight of the game again, in the 1st half 2 of arsenal's good chances came from our poor clearances(from Matic and Rojo), the only danger left we faced in this half was the kick from Lukaku. In the second half, Arsenal created 2 good chances, one led to the goal, the other led to De Gea's double saves. Sanchez, apart from the pass to Ramsey which is on Pogba as he should track Ramsey in that situation, did nothing special in this game. So your statement about Arsenal should win is arguable at best, the other was Lindelof did a bad job marking Sanchez is just simply wrong.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.