[Beachryan]

He's been okay. I was pleased that he gave DDG grief, I think just like a few of our players Dave is playing in third gear right now. That ball is a keepers everytime, and if a CB needs to tell him that's on Dave, no Lindelof.

What worries me is how poor he looks in the air. Loses a lot of headers that then put us under pressure, even just off goal kicks etc.

Still, he's far better than he was 4 months ago, so hopefully that's something.

 

[A-man]

Average player that we didnt need and offers nothing more than our other average CB's.

I think that sums up the attitude around here pretty well. Manchester United has the third best defensive result in PL so far. 16 goals in 21 games. In Champions League second best defensive result after Barcelona with 3goals in 6 games.

Still people here think defence is poor or average. I think all CBs, except maybe recovering Rojo, have been pretty good. Result say I am right too. If CBs are crap you don’t play that good defence.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Average player that we didnt need and offers nothing more than our other average CB's.

This. And i don't see that he will become something more. Still in the dark why we bought him

 

[King.of.Red]

I think that sums up the attitude around here pretty well. Manchester United has the third best defensive result in PL so far. 16 goals in 21 games. In Champions League second best defensive result after Barcelona with 3goals in 6 games.

Still people here think defence is poor or average. I think all CBs, except maybe recovering Rojo, have been pretty good. Result say I am right too. If CBs are crap you don’t play that good defence.

Agree. It's our attackers that need to be questioned. Well, as Man United fan, I'm happy with Lindelof as our CB. He has good mentality, unlike that Armenian guy, real fecking shit.

 

[clarkydaz]

This. And i don't see that he will become something more. Still in the dark why we bought him

our defenders are made of glass

 

[Rozay]

Still don’t think he’ll ultimately be good enough. He has no physical attributes at all to play centre half. He’s slow and weak. Other than that, I can see how he could be a top player, but those physical flaws are too significant I think.

 

[AshRK]

Most hated people in caf no matter how decent they are

Jose
lukaku
lindelof
rashford

Lindelof had a much better game than shaw but because people have blind love for shaw they will never admit it.

 

[Litch]

Most hated people in caf no matter how decent they are

Jose
lukaku
lindelof
rashford

Lindelof had a much better game than shaw but because people have blind love for shaw they will never admit it.

Sadly for some reason some players are just not liked in Caf no matter even when they are improving. If you read the last 30 posts it sums of forums given people are watching same game but opinions are so divided....

 

[yamo123x]

Better than rojo !!

 

[hn4manunited]

Young lindelof is developing and progressing well! I actually feel that he has been one of the bright spots of our team performance.

 

[El Jefe]

He's been good recently but like others I feel it was a complete waste of £30m+ when he's no upgrade on any of our other CBs including Blind. We also have two talented CBs in Axel and TFM.

I don't think he's talented enough to justify spending on him in that position.

 

[Ekeke]

He physically didn't hear him, has nothing to do with bad communication. They shouted at eachother at the same time.

Thats bad communication. How else can you possibly define it if they failed to communicate with each other properly?

 

[Ekeke]

Seriously? You're being picky now. As someone said earlier I've doubt you've seen schmeichel or keane play. They shouted more than that almost every game...

Shouting isnt poor communication.

 

[Ekeke]

Backwards passes by our defenders, up to the Burnley game

1. Lindelof 29%
2. Jones 22.5%
3. Smalling 20.8%
4. Bailly 19.4%
5. Rojo 15.2%

Way out in front as the defender who makes the most backwards passes.

Pass accuracy

1. Jones 92%
2. Lindelof 89%
3. Smalling 87%
4. Bailly 86%
5. Rojo 69%

Average pass length

1. Rojo 25m
2. Bailly 20m
3. Jones 19m
4. Smalling 19m
5. Lindelof 18m

Second highest pass completion but making the most backwards passes by far and shortest passes this is less impressive.

Average defensive actions per game, blocks, clearances and interceptions

1. Bailly, Smalling & Jones 8
2. Rojo 7
3. Lindelof 6

The worst

Defensive errors per game

1. Lindelof, Jones, Bailly, Rojo 1
2. Smalling 0

Joint worst

Duels won per game

1. Jones 63%
2. Smalling 56%
3. Bailly 54%
4. Lindelof 41%
5. Rojo 29%

Second worst.

Stats from Squaka



He was also responsible for conceding the Ward-Prowse chance, which was their second best chance of the game and they nearly scored from. Lost his man on the line, something he tends to do every game once.



It is a weakness of De Gea's but shout at him to come out when he needs to do it, not when there isn't an opposition player anywhere near him, it was a strange and redundant thing to do in the specific context.

These stats dont really surprise me given what I've seen from him this season. They do somewhat surprise me with regards to what I was expecting when we signed him though.

I'd already seen that he wasnt the best defensively and wasnt going to be an upgrade there. But I thought he would stand out with his distribution. I feel that really hasnt happened so far this season and those stats seem to fall right in line with that.

That doesnt mean he cant come good in the rest of the season and show why we signed him. But this is where he is at the moment. A pretty average CB who isnt standing out with his distribution

 

[Red_toad]

Most hated people in caf no matter how decent they are

Jose
lukaku
lindelof
rashford

Lindelof had a much better game than shaw but because people have blind love for shaw they will never admit it.

You've missed Shaw and Jesse from that list and to some extent Martial. Imagine if any of them had been shaking the hands of southamptons subs, there'd have been a meltdown on here.
As for whom was much better, I thought Shaw had a better game, wasn't much in it. It's subjective and people aren't showing blind love by stating it. Tbh honest Jones and Young also played better, but that doesn't mean he had a poor game, even though he was the worst out our back 4.

 

[Ekeke]

Most overrated people in caf no matter how poor they are

Jose
lukaku
lindelof
rashford

Good point.

 

[dronesoul]

Some of you guys are so harsh it's hard to understand why you call yourself 'supporters'. If he is in the team he is in the team. Simple as that. Constructive criticism, fine. But all this 'he dont belong' or 'he not united' talk is just weak. You don't get to decide that for everyone. No one does. Just Mou and the others. And they like him and support him. And you should too.

No wonder we trailing City with supporters like you.

 

[Ekeke]

Some of you guys are so harsh it's hard to understand why you call yourself 'supporters'. If he is in the team he is in the team. Simple as that. Constructive criticism, fine. But all this 'he dont belong' or 'he not united' talk is just weak. You don't get to decide that for everyone. No one does. Just Mou and the others. And they like him and support him. And you should too.

No wonder we trailing City with supporters like you.

Agree

 

[hn4manunited]

Some of you guys are so harsh it's hard to understand why you call yourself 'supporters'. If he is in the team he is in the team. Simple as that. Constructive criticism, fine. But all this 'he dont belong' or 'he not united' talk is just weak. You don't get to decide that for everyone. No one does. Just Mou and the others. And they like him and support him. And you should too.

No wonder we trailing City with supporters like you.

Totally agree with you on this. Not sure if our entire fanbase is like this but this place has gone to crap.

 

[kouroux]

Some of you guys are so harsh it's hard to understand why you call yourself 'supporters'. If he is in the team he is in the team. Simple as that. Constructive criticism, fine. But all this 'he dont belong' or 'he not united' talk is just weak. You don't get to decide that for everyone. No one does. Just Mou and the others. And they like him and support him. And you should too.

No wonder we trailing City with supporters like you.

That last sentence makes absolutely no sense whatsover. Good post though

 

[PaulRich]

It’s all about sense of perspective - we didn’t sign a top drawer finished article CB, we bought a young lad to develop and bring on. Personally I think he’s doing OK, especially when you think back to his early form in the pre-season friendlies. I hope in two seasons time VL has bedded in and become a first rate CB. Loved the bollocking he gave Dave as well, we’re lacking that kind of thing and have been for some time.

 

[Litch]

Some of you guys are so harsh it's hard to understand why you call yourself 'supporters'. If he is in the team he is in the team. Simple as that. Constructive criticism, fine. But all this 'he dont belong' or 'he not united' talk is just weak. You don't get to decide that for everyone. No one does. Just Mou and the others. And they like him and support him. And you should too.

No wonder we trailing City with supporters like you.

Agree. For me, the indication of a true supporter isn't when we are winning and lifting trophies, it's easy to support teams under those circumstances. It's when the teams not, that tells you more. Naturally fans aren't happy and I fully get that but the criticism of the players that have just walked through the door is ridiculous. I include the young players too as for some reason fans think because they are earning lots of money, that should accelerate their knowledge and experience. Also what ever happened for new signings to have allowances for being in a new country, culture, league, manager, players etc?

What I find the most amazing is historically some of the best players for Utd had difficult starts, and we know this. That's not to say he'll go on to be great, just let's have some patience as it's not like he's slotting next to Rio or Vidic with Keane and Scholes in front of him. Sadly like the other newbies, he's not had that luxury.

 

[AndyJ1985]

Some of you guys are so harsh it's hard to understand why you call yourself 'supporters'. If he is in the team he is in the team. Simple as that. Constructive criticism, fine. But all this 'he dont belong' or 'he not united' talk is just weak. You don't get to decide that for everyone. No one does. Just Mou and the others. And they like him and support him. And you should too.

No wonder we trailing City with supporters like you.

What has redcafe got to do with us trailing city? Do you think Jose gets this forum up on the big screen before a match and tells the players to have a read through? Do you think our online "support" is the cause for us being 15 points behind them?

 

[Maradona10]

He is improving, i think he will be a decent rotation option and become a starter in coming years. He is just 23, probably a couple of years under his belt and he should become a good defender. He will though need a battling ball eating Cb by his side.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

No wonder we trailing City with supporters like you.

I've been saying all along that Pep is getting too much credit.

 

[Jironasaurus]

Some of you guys are so harsh it's hard to understand why you call yourself 'supporters'. If he is in the team he is in the team. Simple as that. Constructive criticism, fine. But all this 'he dont belong' or 'he not united' talk is just weak. You don't get to decide that for everyone. No one does. Just Mou and the others. And they like him and support him. And you should too.

Why should any supporter have to like a player they deem mediocre? We all want what's best for the team. If he isn't a good player, he just isn't one. Would you rather we have a Rio Ferdinand in the backline, or a Lindelof if given a choice?

No wonder we trailing City with supporters like you.

What a load of crock.

 

[King.of.Red]

Why should any supporter have to like a player they deem mediocre? We all want what's best for the team. If he isn't a good player, he just isn't one . Would you rather we have a Rio Ferdinand in the backline, or a Lindelof if given a choice?



What a load of crock.

And fact is Lindelof is good player..
You simply just dont like him. Pfffttt

 

[Oldyella]

And fact is Lindelof is good player..
You simply just dont like him. Pfffttt

Problem is he might well be, but he is yet to show it at Utd and that's what he is being judged on. It's more than fair to question why we spent so much on him when he's not stepped in as a first choice, and we have both Tuanzebe and TFM waiting in the wings.

 

[Litch]

Problem is he might well be, but he is yet to show it at Utd and that's what he is being judged on. It's more than fair to question why we spent so much on him when he's not stepped in as a first choice, and we have both Tuanzebe and TFM waiting in the wings.

I think it's a fair question tbh but I just think it's unfair to make the assessment half way through his first season. I could understand that if we were signing an established player but you don't get that for 30m in any position these days. I've seen him internationally and I thought he was a significant reason why Sweden made it through the play offs. Let's see what he's like after a full season before writing him off...

 

[Oldyella]

I think it's a fair question tbh but I just think it's unfair to make the assessment half way through his first season. I could understand that if we were signing an established player but you don't get that for 30m in any position these days. I've seen him internationally and I thought he was a significant reason why Sweden made it through the play offs. Let's see what he's like after a full season before writing him off...

Yep definitely. And he's generally been improving as the season has gone on.

 

[Ballache]

Thats bad communication. How else can you possibly define it if they failed to communicate with each other properly?

Because stuff like this happens. It was a one off situation where there was no danger of anything happening.

 

[Devil81]

We've got to give him time but I don't see a young player with better attributes at his current age as Smalling and Jones when at a similar age.

He's weak, he gives the ball away and he's pretty average in the air.

 

[ivaldo]

He's significantly improved over the last month or so. Looks like a decent addition. I think his passing will come with more games too. Will be a nice option against teams we look to dominate.

 

[AshRK]

You've missed Shaw and Jesse from that list and to some extent Martial. Imagine if any of them had been shaking the hands of southamptons subs, there'd have been a meltdown on here.
As for whom was much better, I thought Shaw had a better game, wasn't much in it. It's subjective and people aren't showing blind love by stating it. Tbh honest Jones and Young also played better, but that doesn't mean he had a poor game, even though he was the worst out our back 4.

Again on what basis do you feel he was the worst defender. Just because one can bash him does not mean he is to be bashed.

As for shaw, he is the most blindly loved guy by united fans including me. Whenever the line up comes the first thing many fans see ohh where is shaw and martial. So no one hates them like lindelof. Lingard I can give you.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

He did make a few defensive mistakes but really that was just under estimating how much of a pest Shane Long actually is. He’s still in an adjustment period to this league but there are good signs there. I actually love that he gave the best keeper in the world an absolute ear full for not coming for that ball. Shows he doesn’t care who you are if you aren’t doing your job you’ll get a reminder.

There was also one pass he played that was Pogba-esque, can’t remeber who it was to, possibly Rashford but it was flat from defence just dropped over the oppo defence and perfectly to Rashford. Carrick would have been proud of it.

I think if we can get a manager to make this team click or Jose realises what he has and adjusts his tactics Lindelof will come good with a passing ability like that.

 

[A-man]

As for shaw, he is the most blindly loved guy by united fans including me. Whenever the line up comes the first thing many fans see ohh where is shaw and martial. So no one hates them like lindelof. Lingard I can give you.

Tuanzebe seems to be one of those loved players, and of course you need a bad guy as well. It seems like a lot of people think Lindelöf was an unnecessary signing because it would have been better to give the chance to Tuanzebe. Can someone explain this to me? I think I have only seen Tuanzebe once as a CB and that was with three at the back. If he is a good enough defender for PL, which I can’t judge based on the very few matches I have seen with him as a defender, it seems more strange that he doesn’t get the chance to play RB as the competition there is weaker and to me that is where I think he would perform best. Or is it simply a favourite vs an outsider kind of thing?

 

[AshRK]

Tuanzebe seems to be one of those loved players, and of course you need a bad guy as well. It seems like a lot of people think Lindelöf was an unnecessary signing because it would have been better to give the chance to Tuanzebe. Can someone explain this to me? I think I have only seen Tuanzebe once as a CB and that was with three at the back. If he is a good enough defender for PL, which I can’t judge based on the very few matches I have seen with him as a defender, it seems more strange that he doesn’t get the chance to play RB as the competition there is weaker and to me that is where I think he would perform best. Or is it simply a favourite vs an outsider kind of thing?

I feel lindelof is more hated because of Jose signing him. Lukaku also the same. The fans see Lukaku and Jose as one. Matic would also have fallen in that category but he has performed so well that fans realised he is good and I mean real good. Otherwise fans were ready with their knives to kill him.

You are right that many feel he is an unnecessary signing but still that should not be the reason for bashing someone. I feel he has improved very much and his ball playing ability (Lindelof) is really good when you compared that with Smalling or even Jones.

 

[Litch]

I feel lindelof is more hated because of Jose signing him. Lukaku also the same. The fans see Lukaku and Jose as one. Matic would also have fallen in that category but he has performed so well that fans realised he is good and I mean real good. Otherwise fans were ready with their knives to kill him.

You are right that many feel he is an unnecessary signing but still that should not be the reason for bashing someone. I feel he has improved very much and his ball playing ability (Lindelof) is really good when you compared that with Smalling or even Jones.

Spot on.

 

[Jironasaurus]

And fact is Lindelof is good player..
You simply just dont like him. Pfffttt

Actually I never did say I don't like him. I just am coming from the point of view of the other guy who doesn't like Lindelof. I am still open to him becoming a better player, but thus far, nothing I've seen makes me go "Wow... future superstar".

 

[Mickson]

Tuanzebe seems to be one of those loved players, and of course you need a bad guy as well. It seems like a lot of people think Lindelöf was an unnecessary signing because it would have been better to give the chance to Tuanzebe. Can someone explain this to me? I think I have only seen Tuanzebe once as a CB and that was with three at the back. If he is a good enough defender for PL, which I can’t judge based on the very few matches I have seen with him as a defender, it seems more strange that he doesn’t get the chance to play RB as the competition there is weaker and to me that is where I think he would perform best. Or is it simply a favourite vs an outsider kind of thing?

Because Mourinho is a coward.

"I have faith in them," the manager told MUTV during an interview at the Aon Training Complex last week. "Honestly, sometimes, I don't play them more because I have respect for some of the older players that are great professionals and are always ready for the team.

"But, in terms of their qualities, McTominay and Tuanzebe are ready, they are ready to play so I played them with 25, 30 minutes to go against CSKA. I played Scott against Benfica when we had not even yet qualified. I have lots of faith in both of them."

Tuanebe has played once this season, man of the match against Swansea. Last season he played right back against Sanchez, who was invisible the whole match. Take it in, he didn't play for months, with no real experience, in a unfamiliar position against one of the best teams in the league at their turf. And he was great.

He played as a midfielder and was great there too. The truth is that Axel hasn't played a game where he wasn't one of the best players on the pitch.

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Same thing happening here.

Lindelof was bought for £35M and are currently fourth choice. And he is 24 years old this year and played in the same back three as Tuanzebe against Swansea and wasn't equally good. Tuanzebe, in my opinion, is the bigger talent and are more than ready to be fourth choice. Otherwise, it's a risk being another Pogba situation where the player leave the club when we instead play mediocre players because we paid money for them. Lindelof might turn out to be a good player, but he should never have been bought in the first place. Waste of money when we could play Axel there (and TFM maybe) instead we could fill the gap at midfield or for a new winger. Or full back.