How much longer can both realistically stay whilst watching others win domestic and European titles? Worrying thought.In a class of his own. Him and De Gea doing almost all the heavy lifting at the moment.
How much longer can both realistically stay whilst watching others win domestic and European titles? Worrying thought.In a class of his own. Him and De Gea doing almost all the heavy lifting at the moment.
Probably the last season.How much longer can both realistically stay whilst watching others win domestic and European titles? Worrying thought.
Pretty sure it's the opposite.He’s the 5th most dispossessed player in the league and the only central midfielder in the top ten. Many of those dispossessions come from the strength battles that he likes to have. He needs to improve that.
Would prefer Captain De Gea, but yes Capt Pogba is a growing good candidate, certainly a lot better than Capt Valencia atm.Pogba should be made permanent captain and at the same time have Valencia sit on the bench. Even Dalot would have been more useful and threatening yesterday on the right wing
And this is in the context of what most people - including me - would consider some of his best form since we signed him. For all his moments of brilliance there is still a feck of a lot of downsides to accommodating Pogba in the teamBecause after six Premier League games no central midfielder in any team has been dispossessed more often than Pogba, or taken more unsuccessful touches.
Pogba is yet to make a single interception. Sixty-eight midfielders have made more tackles per 90 minutes, including Fulham’s Tom Cairney, who is a throwback to the strolling-playmaker golden age of the 1960s, and Bernardo Silva, whose manager’s best quote so far in England is “what is tackles?” If Mourinho really is worried about Pogba giving the ball away, not imposing himself and not working enough for the team, then maybe it’s because he gives the ball away, doesn’t impose himself and doesn’t work enough for the team.
Beat me to it. Strength battles, taking too many touches, whatever. It’s a big flaw in his game.He’s the 5th most dispossessed player in the league and the only central midfielder in the top ten. Many of those dispossessions come from the strength battles that he likes to have. He needs to improve that.
All creativity in the team starts and ends with Pogba. Teams know they can shut him down and nobody else will hurt them. I believe even Messi would struggle in this team.Pogba is expected to do the role of about 3 players I think. That’s why people are never happy. They want Lampard, Zidane and Xavi all in one. And some Toure for good measure. I know midfield is an all-round role, but Pogba is supposed to be the primary provider of all the aforementioned player’s best qualities in our team.
Which makes the Alexis situation all the more frustrating.All creativity in the team starts and ends with Pogba. Teams know they can shut him down and nobody else will hurt them. I believe even Messi would struggle in this team.
Pogba definitely lacks awareness many times. I don’t know if it’s the lack of an option that causes it or simply his focus dwindles from time to time. I’d guess it’s the latter. The frustration hence doubles considering the other good things he does.Beat me to it. Strength battles, taking too many touches, whatever. It’s a big flaw in his game.
The catch 22 is that he takes those risks in our team since the creativity in the team is solely his responsibility, which other midfielders in the league or on the list have such repressibility? Creative players lose the ball more often than safe CMs who wont get 10+ assists in a season. Couple that with the lack of movement in the side as a wholeInteresting stats from a piece by Barney Ronay today.
And this is in the context of what most people - including me - would consider some of his best form since we signed him. For all his moments of brilliance there is still a feck of a lot of downsides to accommodating Pogba in the team
If we had the WC version of Alexis ie the Alexis from 2015/16 and 2016/17 we wouldn't be far from winning the league. There's a trend in PL winning teams. One star in midfield and one star in attack/or two. Kante and Mahrez for Leicester. Fabregas and Hazard/Costa. KDB and Aguero and so on... it's very frustrating because by the time we sort the attack out Pogba will have probably had enough by then and won't be here. We never seem to have everything at once.Which makes the Alexis situation all the more frustrating.
Interesting stats from a piece by Barney Ronay today.
And this is in the context of what most people - including me - would consider some of his best form since we signed him. For all his moments of brilliance there is still a feck of a lot of downsides to accommodating Pogba in the team
That's because half the time he gets the ball the rest of the team are standing around, and even if they did make runs passing to Sanchez, Lingard and Lukaku is pointless as they'll do the square root of feck all with it.Beat me to it. Strength battles, taking too many touches, whatever. It’s a big flaw in his game.
Tbf, I think dwelling much on the ball can also help the opposing team to get back in their defensive positions in times, making the movement up front even difficult with a parked bus behind them.
He needs to release the ball faster. In order to break down teams we need to catch them before they're already organized at the back, not being extremely slow on the build up like we have always been.
Move the ball fast and press fast.
There's definitely severe lack of movement. I'm just saying if we're releasing the ball quicker and have a faster build up, we can catch the opposition before they get organized. We're a very slow team, and him dwelling on the ball much doesn't help too imo. We need to move the ball faster.Requires movement. When he has movement he plays it. He has the vision and ability. Something television doesn't pick up is the lack of movement.
Stats aside. From watching Pogba, he’s not losing the ball with fecking up risky passes (which Sanchez does umpteen times each match) and is the reason I presume KdB has similar stats. Pogba tends to lose the ball by trying to beat one too many people or taking one too many touches. Happens all the time. Our last goal conceded starting off with a classic example.The catch 22 is that he takes those risks in our team since the creativity in the team is solely his responsibility, which other midfielders in the league or on the list have such repressibility? Creative players lose the ball more often than safe CMs who wont get 10+ assists in a season. Couple that with the lack of movement in the side as a whole
I think he does need to improve but the stat needs to be looked at in context
EDIT: For instance last season KDB ranked 6th in the league for being disposed and Pogba was 27th.
With KDB in 1st for assists and Pogba 6th overall
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/dispossessed
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/goal_assist
It in itself as a stat doesn't tell the whole story, KDB also ranks highly because he is a highly creative player vs a Fernandinho who is more safe with the ball in the side.
He certianly needs to improve his tackling stats KDB ranked 22nd last season and Pogba 76th
My point was even though I agree he needs to improve, he does it at times because he wants to wait for / buy time for a pass. If you look at many times when we break or his picks a great pass it at times comes after he dwells a bit or dribbles and open up the space by beating one or 2 players.Stats aside. From watching Pogba, he’s not losing the ball with fecking up risky passes (which Sanchez does umpteen times each match) and is the reason I presume KdB has similar stats. Pogba tends to lose the ball by trying to beat one too many people or taking one too many touches. Happens all the time. Our last goal conceded starting off with a classic example.
We can cope with creative players losing the ball by taking risks in the final third. What fecks us over is creative players repeatedly having their pocket picked deep in our own half. All the more so when said creative player is statistically awful at regaining possession once he’s lost it.
Yep, they were meant to go halves on the attacking stuff. Yet people now want Pogba to be the main creative source, while ‘keeping it simple’ at the same time.Which makes the Alexis situation all the more frustrating.
If the move,met is better he will, and he does.There's definitely severe lack of movement. I'm just saying if we're releasing the ball quicker and have a faster build up, we can catch the opposition before they get organized. We're a very slow team, and him dwelling on the ball much doesn't help too imo. We need to move the ball faster.
Don't disagree. We're a very static and slow team.If the move,met is better he will, and he does.
Whether it's tactics keeping shape, I don't know but our movement is awful
But we could potentially be better without him if he's only half hearted in his approach.He is half of our team. If he lose him, then we are in proper shit
Basically. As frustrating as he is, he is the only player that actually moves us up the pitch (maybe Shaw). We would be utterly dog crap without him.He is half of our team. If he lose him, then we are in proper shit
I strongly disagree.I still maintain he's trying to hard to be something he's not. Trying to be a Zidane or a Morrison when he's nothing like that. We need him to try to dominate games with his passing ala Kroos. I still maintain the most impressive performance by him remains his first one vs Southampton.
His game was much simpler at Jive, he certainly wouldn't dribble into blind alleys and trying to hold the ball, killing the pace of a move on the counter. He played that position in basically all his years at Juve but was a simpler player than now. Mind you at Juve he was played in pretty much all midfield positions from time to time and looked good in all of them. I've even seen Allegri use him in a Pirlo role. He's always had the flair but he wouldn't try to impose it on a match the way he does now.I strongly disagree.
He's looking more for the killer pass rather than the short pass that builds the game.
He plays more with his instinct than his brain. For me, he looks more like Zidane, Ronaldinho than Xavi, Kroos ...
That's why his best season was his last with Juventus when he played as LM/AM. He's a player with a lot of flair. He isn't a CM.
Doesn't that correlate to our lack of movement as well? A lot of time he tries to beat the man simply because there simply is no other option to pass the ball so he need to beat the man first. I may be wrong about this but with France he simply release the ball quicker, especially with Mbappe and Griezman in the team. Those two have such a good movement off the ball that it's easier for Pogba to not over-complicating things. While with us 3-4 players will just move to the middle and overcrowding the middle of the pitch.Stats aside. From watching Pogba, he’s not losing the ball with fecking up risky passes (which Sanchez does umpteen times each match) and is the reason I presume KdB has similar stats. Pogba tends to lose the ball by trying to beat one too many people or taking one too many touches. Happens all the time. Our last goal conceded starting off with a classic example.
We can cope with creative players losing the ball by taking risks in the final third. What fecks us over is creative players repeatedly having their pocket picked deep in our own half. All the more so when said creative player is statistically awful at regaining possession once he’s lost it.
Simpler? Are you sure? Judging from that video his game was anything but simple. A lot of flicks and tricks. His position was very different though. I've always thought he was better on the left wing where he can afford to play with that extra flair and at the the same time team doesn't lose anything. Right now his position which is deeper in CM doesn't allow him to make any kind of mistakes otherwise we risk conceding like we did at the weekend. Add that to our poor movement upfront and it's even worse. He can make it work still but only if there is movement ahead of himl like we saw at the world cup. Our movement for the best part of 2 years has been shocking.His game was much simpler at Jive, he certainly wouldn't dribble into blind alleys and trying to hold the ball, killing the pace of a move on the counter. He played that position in basically all his years at Juve but was a simpler player than now. Mind you at Juve he was played in pretty much all midfield positions from time to time and looked good in all of them. I've even seen Allegri use him in a Pirlo role. He's always had the flair but he wouldn't try to impose it on a match the way he does now.
Didn't look half hearted Saturday and hasn't all season. So not sure why you'd say that ?But we could potentially be better without him if he's only half hearted in his approach.
Came in here to post something similar.Requires movement. When he has movement he plays it. He has the vision and ability. Something television doesn't pick up is the lack of movement.
Without a shadow of a doubt.In a class of his own. Him and De Gea doing almost all the heavy lifting at the moment.
He's always had the tricks but you'd never see him completely stop the momentum of the game by standing on the ball. The only time you'd see him do that would be in a 1 v 1 situation high up the pitch when he's be trying to generate space for a shot. Nowadays he seems to do it at all times. Maybe it is because of the lack of options as we all know this teams has no idea of which spaces to be in.Simpler? Are you sure? Judging from that video his game was anything but simple. A lot of flicks and tricks. His position was very different though. I've always thought he was better on the left wing where he can afford to play with that extra flair and at the the same time team doesn't lose anything. Right now his position which is deeper in CM doesn't allow him to make any kind of mistakes otherwise we risk conceding like we did at the weekend. Add that to our poor movement upfront and it's even worse. He can make it work still but only if there is movement ahead of himl like we saw at the world cup. Our movement for the best part of 2 years has been shocking.