Not really. They have a 30+ goal a season striker they're heavily reliant on. That squad isn't as bad as you're making it out to be.
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Bit unfair to criticise Spurs with them missing their 2 best forwards.
Kane would have buried the chance Llorente had IMO. If anything Chelsea not beating them more comfortably at home should be more criticised IMO.
People lose on pens, it happens.
Kane would have buried the chance Llorente had IMO. If anything Chelsea not beating them more comfortably at home should be more criticised IMO.
People lose on pens, it happens.
I never said the squad was bad. I said they’ve played poorly for large parts of the seasons. They’ve won games because they have forwards that score lots of goals but they’ve been unconvincing through a lot of games this season. More than any I’ve seen of them the last few years.
They didn't have to score. They just had to not concede, they were winning...
Easier said than done at the bridge.
That was a poor Arsenal team, and Fabio and Rafael were amazing in that game (and crucially, fresh). And it wasn't like Spurs attacked with a lead and got caught on the break, they just couldn't keep up with Chelsea. I'll credit you they could have just parked the bus for 90 minutes, but with a 1-0 lead that's extremely risky. If they'd got an early goal they could have killed the tie.
Mourinho might be a massive prick but he wouldn't have lost that tie from that position.
That Arsenal team finished 3rd behind United that year and it doesn't matter how fresh players were. We played 3 defenders in midfield against a direct rival and won because that's what good managers do. They make a plan and shape their tactics and team selection around it to win the game, they don't lose a load of players then chuck players in who are shitter versions that the one's that are missing and expect them to do the same job as the others.
I take the point about Fergie's skills at turning proverbial water into wine but all Jose did in his final days with us was whinge about the players he had available not being good enough. The truth is there's a balance between the skill level of a manager and the payers he has at his disposal. In my view it's unfair to trash Poch and Spurs for losing narrowly over two legs given they have a pretty battered squad that hasn't been significantly strengthened in a few years.
We wouldn't have even got there under Jose. In fact we didn't, we got beat by Derby.
Peak Mourinho would have gotten over the line and you know it.
There's also zero benefit to having one system and hoping it carries you off into the sunset. We've set up differently in games under Solskjaer already, Pochettino goes for the same way of playing despite having players who's can't do it as well as others.
They done well to get to pens.
Convinced we'll catch both in the league.
Convinced we'll catch both in the league.
We got to 3 cup finals in 2 and a half years under Jose.
Its unfair to pick out Derby as an example.
Fair enough, I've never said Poch doesn't deserve criticism and actually every Spurs fan I've spoken to has been critical of Poch, some players, Levy and their board in stark contrast to the popular image of them being happy with the Finished Above Woolwich trophy. I have some sympathy with the view Spurs as a club are out of the habit of winning and could do with a real trophy of literally any kind but equally I'm not prepared to haul the entire club and all its people over the coals over narrow losses over two legs.
That's fair, to a motivated Jose maybe. The 3rd year one was a joke.
Anyway the point was beating Chelsea at home without 3 first team players (Son,Alli,Kane) is never going to be easy.
They should have played Lloris though. That's the only thing i'm not liking about Pochettino, can't understand why he doesn't want to win a trophy.
Mourinho lost a tie at home to a team down to 10 men and behind on the scoresheet
I agree with the sentiment that he shouldn't be too harshly judged on this one game alone but 1 final in 5 seasons is pretty poor and we would most definitely be asking serious questions about his management ability if that were us. I think we need to move past this notion that managers control every aspect of their club, we might employ that model currently but Spurs definitely don't so I would question exactly how much involvement Pochettino has outside of picking the team and tactics for their next match. Giving him free reign with us only to realise he doesn't actually develop youth players unless forced to and would rather spend £100m instead of find players like Son and Eriksson would be a disaster. It's effectively Moyes 2.0.
The idea he's the one and only sure-fire answer to our problems is certainly one I'd like to see doused a little, but I wouldn't call my worst enemy Moyes 2.0
The idea he's the one and only sure-fire answer to our problems is certainly one I'd like to see doused a little, but I wouldn't call my worst enemy Moyes 2.0
He's be an upgrade on Moyes for sure but how do you convince World Cup winners you know what you're doing when you've won feck all?I dunno about that, even if only for team balance you have to pick Dier or Wanyama over Winks surely. The kid's got something about him but he's nowhere near ready to be relied on as a top 4 midfield general or DM.
Wanyama is broken. We'd all love him back and fit but that's just a fantasy right now.
Dier maybe, but honestly he's a very limited midfielder and slows our play down. I'm not a fan and prefer him at CB, at least Winks is capable of recycling possession quickly, moving forward with the ball and generally keeping up a fast tempo.
Dier is very immobile, and he's not like Wanyama where even though he was technically limited his ability to win the ball and bully opposition midfields made him worth having in the side. I hate to say it but Dier is just 'meh' in too many respects. Decent squad option but not a starter at cm for me.
What we really need is a big signing in this area. I'm a broken record on this topic but we've just sold our best cm since Modric, one who was so crucial to some of our biggest wins. One of other best ones (wanyama) is a sick note yet nothing was done about this. I still can't believe some Spurs fans tolerate this situation.
Go out and spend on a proper midfield signing, that's all I ask. Right now we aren't at a top 4 level there and whilst we're fortunate at the emergence of Sissoko this season, we can't rely just on him.
Don't forget their new stadium!
That's amazing. If that doesn't confirm what the rest of the world thinks of you, (banter club) then I don't know what will...
Hehehe *troll face*
And the new lounge facility. State of art.
Great video. Ahh yes, now I remember when Mourinho was a good manager. Seems like a long time ago. I'd almost forgot. What happened to him? He's left his last 2 jobs in disgrace, with one team near relegation and the other closer to mid-table than top 4. But still his fanboys have to post ancient videos and gifs to remind everyone and themselves that he's "a winner". You're exactly like the man himself - still living in the past and relying on past glory.
What a random and mental thing to say...
I don't get it either.
That Chiellini line kills me every time.
Feel like every time this thread popped up over the past year or two we went on to have a similar flop of our own in the days that followed. If tonight doesn't go our way this thread will be a walking jinx
It's like the whole team went out with a bang, twice this week in fact.
Let's
do
the
bottling
again.
do
the
bottling
again.
Think I found Glaston on Spurs' Reddit
Spursy
With the amount of bad spells all the top tier clubs in England have gone through the last few years Spurs took advantage and were able to contend for the top 4 but with Liverpool "back" to being a contender Chelsea will always be in around their United will be back sooner rather then later, Arsenal are too big not to get back in to top 4 and City handing over blank checks it is only normal that Spurs return back to 5th and 6th and occasionally 7th when all returns to normality. It is a cycle and Spurs players will get tired of not ever winning silverware and competing and they will end up leaving for the bigger clubs its just how it goes.
With United returning to their normal level under OGS, Guardiola or Klopp staying at Liverpool the other 3 clubs will fight to be the 1 who gets to the Champions League. We never know what Chelsea will bring to the table. Spurs didn't invested nothing this season. But they should try at least to win Cups imo.
I agree and that's what I am saying with the big clubs "coming back" Spurs will be competing with Everton again soon enough. As for Cups every club has a chance to win them but Spurs just can't seem to do it.
Is levy still have his fancy cheese room?