I'm tiring of hearing about how disappointing he was against PSG. Their entire gameplan was built around nullifying him and leaving it to Herrera or someone else to create for our attackers. Not to mention we lost 2 of our 3 attackers before half and replaced them with dross. For me Herrera let us down much more than Pogba did considering he had 2 markers on him at all times, and Herrera was constantly afforded space to which he couldn't take advantage of. He's decent at arriving into the box but when given the ball in the final third and asked to attack he's mostly shocking nowadays. It's one of the sneakily weak parts of our squad that needs to be addressed since it seems Fred can't cut it at the moment.Was disappointing against PSG, but it happens. But he’s been great in the three other big matches under Ole. Something he wasn’t doing under Jose.
So he wasn’t disappointing?I'm tiring of hearing about how disappointing he was against PSG. Their entire gameplan was built around nullifying him and leaving it to Herrera or someone else to create for our attackers. Not to mention we lost 2 of our 3 attackers before half and replaced them with dross. For me Herrera let us down much more than Pogba did considering he had 2 markers on him at all times, and Herrera was constantly afforded space to which he couldn't take advantage of. He's decent at arriving into the box but when given the ball in the final third and asked to attack he's mostly shocking nowadays. It's one of the sneakily weak parts of our squad that needs to be addressed since it seems Fred can't cut it at the moment.
Mourinho would make a great politician. Top class divisive tactics! He managed to fool a lot of people into thinking Pogba was a big problem in the squad.Never forget a big portion of our fans turned on him in favour of Mourinho. Was as mind boggling then as it is now.
I hope they are were Jose is now, out....Never forget a big portion of our fans turned on him in favour of Mourinho. Was as mind boggling then as it is now.
They don't have anyone even close to Marquinhos to do that job. I think he'll do just fine.I hope they are were Jose is now, out....
Klopp will try to copy PSG's tactics on Sunday to nullify him, hope we find a way around
Redcafe rating shouldn't be taken seriously. Most of the rating are done right after the match, so when we lose most of them gets shit ratings.How does he have a 6.2 avg rating? What barometer do people use with these numbers? I tend to use 6 as average, 7 good, 8 very good, 9 exceptional, 10 perfect, 5 poor, 4 awful 3, limited time, red card, OG etc.. i must use a different scale to most...
They have a very solid midfield and for sure can do a job on him if we dont play it smartlyThey don't have anyone even close to Marquinhos to do that job. I think he'll do just fine.
Solid, but Marquinhos could actually physically match Pogba, whilst he also had players like Dani Alves coming at him as well. I very much doubt anyone in Liverpool's midfield can match Pogba physically.They have a very solid midfield and for sure can do a job on him if we dont play it smartly
I hope you are right but your take is a bit simplistic.Solid, but Marquinhos could actually physically match Pogba, whilst he also had players like Dani Alves coming at him as well. I very much doubt anyone in Liverpool's midfield can match Pogba physically.
these feckers know who they are but are staying silent or arguing that that the earth is flat, that they were never wrong to begin with and have gone on to take the snobby high ground on other matters on the forum nowNever forget a big portion of our fans turned on him in favour of Mourinho. Was as mind boggling then as it is now.
What is still missing are the long range crackers.He is all I dreamed he would be when we bought him...but better, beast!
Don’t forget, even after Mourinho was sacked:Never forget a big portion of our fans turned on him in favour of Mourinho. Was as mind boggling then as it is now.
What were the contrasting stats between Liverpool and PSG earlier in the group?I hope you are right but your take is a bit simplistic.
PSG might have excellent defensive players in midfield but they can't run as much as Liverpool's midfielders who are better at closing down spaces.
The game between us and PSG was relatively slow and didn't require much running. In terms of physical effort it was of poor quality: we ran 100 km vs 102 km for PSG. That's quite unimpressive at that level.
In contrast, Liverpool ran 122 km (!) against City in January and will put us under more pressure than PSG were able to do. If we run 100 km again, Liverpool can win that game without much problems.
5 is average. I've got him as a 6.8 with 9 MOTMs.How does he have a 6.2 avg rating? What barometer do people use with these numbers? I tend to use 6 as average, 7 good, 8 very good, 9 exceptional, 10 perfect, 5 poor, 4 awful 3, limited time, red card, OG etc.. i must use a different scale to most...
It's 10. Caf count is wrong or the place they fetch records from is wrong. All the other sits like official PL/CL one, whoscored.com, transfermarkt recorded 10 assists.So does he have 13 assists as it says on his profile here or is it 10 as it says on Transfermarkt?
Liverpool ran 120 km vs City in the CL last season and City ran 120 km vs Spurs away this season. Running stats have little to to do with the difference between CL and PL but with the ability to press all over the pitch. It's not clear whether Liverpool are in top physical form now (they weren't vs Leicester and Wham) but if they are, it won't be a problem for them to press with greater intensity than PSG. PSG have relatively poor stats running wise and this might be a problem for them in the later stages.What were the contrasting stats between Liverpool and PSG earlier in the group?
The premier league is always different to Europe in terms of running / space provided.
I think it does. It certainly does for players who win penalties as Mata was given an assist for the penalty Pogba scored against Fulham.Maybe caf one counts free kicks won (which are converted) as assists too.
@Damien can we clarify this? Winning penalties + free-kicks that are subsequently converted, as well as taking shots from which rebounds are scored, can be counted as assists depending on how you look at it. In Pogba’s case, is the Caf’s assist number based on that or is the ‘13 assists’ just completely wrong?It's 10. Caf count is wrong or the place they fetch records from is wrong. All the other sits like official PL/CL one, whoscored.com, transfermarkt recorded 10 assists.
Maybe caf one counts free kicks won (which are converted) as assists too.
What were the contrasting stats between Liverpool and PSG earlier in the group?
The premier league is always different to Europe in terms of running / space provided.
Just took 3 Liverpool games.Liverpool ran 120 km vs City in the CL last season and City ran 120 km vs Spurs away this season. Running stats have little to to do with the difference between CL and PL but with the ability to press all over the pitch. It's not clear whether Liverpool are in top physical form now (they weren't vs Leicester and Wham) but if they are, it won't be a problem for them to press with greater intensity than PSG. PSG have relatively poor stats running wise and this might be a problem for them in the later stages.
Did Rashford get an assist for Lukaku’s goal at Newcastle?I think it does. It certainly does for players who win penalties as Mata was given an assist for the penalty Pogba scored against Fulham.
Yes he did.
I think it is counting them. @Niall is the only one who knows for sure.@Damien can we clarify this? Winning penalties + free-kicks that are subsequently converted, as well as taking shots from which rebounds are scored, can be counted as assists depending on how you look at it. In Pogba’s case, is the Caf’s assist number based on that or is the ‘13 assists’ just completely wrong?
Yes. So Pogba got assist for Martial goal vs Arsenal. Also Pogba won freekick vs Leicester and Juventus which was converted. I think that's why he has 3 more assists on CAF vs other sites.
Yeah. They should change it.I think it does. It certainly does for players who win penalties as Mata was given an assist for the penalty Pogba scored against Fulham.
Fabinho maybe... well, we will seeSolid, but Marquinhos could actually physically match Pogba, whilst he also had players like Dani Alves coming at him as well. I very much doubt anyone in Liverpool's midfield can match Pogba physically.
Good point. Still, I think that Liverpool hit top physical form only in December and peaked vs City. In October they ran only 109 km against City vs 122 km in January. The run of the game and tactics play a role too. The game at Anfield was more tactical and positional, City were quite cautious in their approach. I think we were a bit too cautious against PSG too and didn't trouble their defence. But I wouldn't mind if we are cautious vs Liverpool as they are deadly on the counter.Just took 3 Liverpool games.
Liverpool 1-0 Napoli: 118 km vs 114 km
Napoli 1-0 Liverpool: 112 vs 112
PSG 2-1 Liverpool: 105 vs 106
Liverpool 3-2 PSG 104 vs 101
I think distance covered depends on other team too. Looks like PSG brought down Liverpool's distance covered to average level.