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Despite being offered it for free the last few years in work I've never bothered. (I'm 50 in December and just never though it was important).It also shows how many lives we could save if most people had the annual flu vaccine.
I'm really hoping the world learns the value of vaccination. If we did it would almost be worth the pain of the pandemic.
450 quid for myself, the missus and our daughter... bargain.https://www.theguardian.com/travel/...uld-replace-quarantine?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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This is pretty close to the quarantine alternative we discussed a week or two ago. Main difference being it’s privately funded, with tourists being asked to foot the bill.
We're flying into Heathrow in early September. If Italy's been put on the quarantine list by then, we'll definitely go for this. It would be better than spending half our time in the UK stuck inside, even if it's expensive.450 quid for myself, the missus and our daughter... bargain.
Fair play to Heathrow though for showing the kind of initiative that the dogshit Tory government seems incapable of.
Looking at the numbers it will take a serious escalation for Italy to go on the list by then.We're flying into Heathrow in early September. If Italy's been put on the quarantine list by then, we'll definitely go for this. It would be better than spending half our time in the UK stuck inside, even if it's expensive.
I've had it every year since I had flu ibadly in 2009. Only had it (probably) once since and then it was mild.Despite being offered it for free the last few years in work I've never bothered. (I'm 50 in December and just never though it was important).
I will this year though I've decided.
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The lower death numbers, what are they more likely to be due to :UK 6 deaths and 1182 cases
d. Less care homes getting infected.The lower death numbers, what are they more likely to be due to :
a. Better tracking/tracing and testing capacity
b. Being better at treating the disease
c. Still quite early of the cases lifecycle
Its probably a combination of many of those factors, but would be interesting to know what's primarily driving it. If it's better tracking/tracing - what does that tell us about the 'true' number of infections during the earlier wave
Agreed. Fingers crossed.I am becoming increasingly confident that there will be massive vaccinations early next year.
Looks like that. The elderly and other vulnerable are more than likely still keeping themselves isolated which in a way is easier to do as a lot will be retired and getting their pensions. As you said you would think the higher case numbers will be younger folk having to get on with things and earn a living. All good really, just need a vaccine now to free up the elderly and the vulnerable so they can get out and about again.d. Less care homes getting infected.
e. more 20-30 year olds in case numbers.
f. Quite possibly a fair amount of people susceptible to dying of Covid-19 have already lost their lives to the virus.
The “true” number during the first wave in harder hit places was likely absolutely through the roof as you hint on. As early as late Feb many places were utterly riddled.
I’ve been assuming c as by far the most important factor. Although that assumes that cases three or four weeks ago were quite low. Can anyone who is closer to the Uk figures than me remember what sort of case number were we seeing every day towards the end of last month? If they were similar to what we’re seeing now then you can’t really assume that deaths will take off over the next few weeks. Which would be very reassuring.The lower death numbers, what are they more likely to be due to :
a. Better tracking/tracing and testing capacity
b. Being better at treating the disease
c. Still quite early of the cases lifecycle
Its probably a combination of many of those factors, but would be interesting to know what's primarily driving it. If it's better tracking/tracing - what does that tell us about the 'true' number of infections during the earlier wave
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/casesCan anyone who is closer to the Uk figures than me remember what sort of case number were we seeing every day towards the end of last month? If they were similar to what we’re seeing now then you can’t really assume that deaths will take off over the next few weeks. Which would be very reassuring.
Cool. Thanks.https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases
Friday 24 July - 768
Saturday 25 July - 767
Sunday 26 July - 747
Monday 27 July - 685
Tuesday 28 July - 581
Wednesday 29 July - 763
Thursday 30 July - 846
Friday 31 July - 880
Thursday 13 August - 1129
Friday 14 August - 1441
Saturday 15 August - 1077
Sunday 16 August - 1040
Monday 17 August - 713
Tuesday 18 August - 1089
Wednesday 19 August - 812
Thursday 20 August - 1182
Unfortunately it does look like it has risen slightly.Cool. Thanks.
Risen quite a lot but assuming mortality now represents cases 3 or 4 weeks ago, then mortality in another 3 or 4 weeks might not be bad at all.Unfortunately it does look like it has risen slightly.
I just read that, great news. Also impressive how Aussie has been able get some control over the virus and keep other states safe.Good news in Australia. NSW only 1 new case and Victoria under 200 new cases for the first time in a few weeks. Lockdown is working well.
What were the NZ figures today?I just read that, great news. Also impressive how Aussie has been able get some control over the virus and keep other states safe.
How are hospital admissions looking in France @JPRouve? And is it the same areas as the first wave seeing increases?Not looking good in Spain and France.
France saw 4771 cases yesterday.
The BBC article said it hasn't changed much to it being younger people.How are hospital admissions looking in France @JPRouve? And is it the same areas as the first wave seeing increases?
Hospitalisations are low and there is a negligeable increase if you take into account people that are returning home. As for the difference with the first wave is that it's pretty much all the big cities/dense areas that are seeing an increase in cases with Mayennes and Laval being the strange one because their community infection has been strangely high for a while. Funnily enough if you take a population density map of France and the current incidence map, they kind of match. Basically the Empty Diagonal is fine but the rest is seeing increases.How are hospital admissions looking in France @JPRouve? And is it the same areas as the first wave seeing increases?
Fecking hell. Spain is in trouble. If deaths are already on the up too then it’s going to get ugly soon.Not looking good in Spain and France.
France saw 4771 cases yesterday.
11 community transmissions today, up from yesterdays 5 community transmissions and 1 border catch. When we were this low the first time there was a week or so of 2-3 good days and then a little spike then 2-3 good days. I think that also holds true for the countries with bigger numbers but who are getting better, every now and then a daily spike. The good news out of this set of new cases over the last couple of weeks for us has been its exposed some weaknesses and gaps in the system so hopefully they are tightened up for the next breach we get which will happen. Its going to be an ongoing process.What were the NZ figures today?
Maybe elderly/vulnerable people continuing to be very careful? When the virus first hit they would have been packed into pubs, churches etc and allowing grandkids climb all over them. I get the impression most elderly people have radically changed their behaviour and will continue to do so for a while. Also, care homes have much betted procedures in place to protect them.The younger demographic in most european countries have really let everyone down. There's obviously an argument about government control vs personal responsibility but they really should understand the gravity of their actions.
It seems likely the youth wave of infections is going to kick start infections rising across other demographics. Can anyone see any reasons it wouldn't?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53832981Fecking hell. Spain is in trouble. If deaths are already on the up too then it’s going to get ugly soon.
I wonder why their cases are shooting up so much faster than UK/Germany/Italy. Anyone got any ideas?
BBC has an article to answer that very question.Fecking hell. Spain is in trouble. If deaths are already on the up too then it’s going to get ugly soon.
I wonder why their cases are shooting up so much faster than UK/Germany/Italy. Anyone got any ideas?
It certainly feels inevitable. I'm sure growth will be slower and i expect a lot less deaths so it's not as doom and gloom as last time.Maybe elderly/vulnerable people continuing to be very careful? When the virus first hit they would have been packed into pubs, churches etc and allowing grandkids climb all over them. I get the impression most elderly people have radically changed their behaviour and will continue to do so for a while. Also, care homes have much betted procedures in place to protect them.
Having said all that, once enough young people are infected it’s inevitable that a proportion of the most vulnerable will too.
I get that sense in and around where I live.Maybe elderly/vulnerable people continuing to be very careful? When the virus first hit they would have been packed into pubs, churches etc and allowing grandkids climb all over them. I get the impression most elderly people have radically changed their behaviour and will continue to do so for a while. Also, care homes have much betted procedures in place to protect them.
Having said all that, once enough young people are infected it’s inevitable that a proportion of the most vulnerable will too.