What is Martial's finishing rate? As a combination, despite being told recently that Martial and Rashford are some chance scoring and creating Uber-tandem I still don't feel like they're an effective duo. Despite the way we throw them all over the field in various different positions.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 57
- Goals
- 21
- Assists
- 11
- Yellow cards
- 4
- Status
He has marginally improved his decision making but finishing is still his weakest point. He's got to stop relying so heavily on smashing the ball hard and hoping for the best.
Goals across League and CL except where otherwise stated:
| Goals | Shots | Shots from set piece situations | Goals from set piece situations | Penalties taken | Penalties scored | Total conversion rate | Non-penalty conversion rate | Open play conversion rate | |
| Rashford | 12 | 55 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 22% | 20% | 22% |
| Kane* | 10 | 64 | 20 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 16% | 13% | 17% |
| Ronaldo | 16 | 68 | 13 | 1 | 7 | 6 | 24% | 16% | 19% |
| Messi | 10 | 113 | 29 | 1 | 6 | 5 | 9% | 5% | 5% |
| Lewandowski | 20 | 65 | 17 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 31% | 27% | 33% |
| Salah | 16 | 58 | 10 | 2 | 6 | 6 | 28% | 19% | 19% |
| Mane | 6 | 49 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 12% | 12% | 14% |
| Son* | 13 | 32 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 41% | 41% | 39% |
| Mbappe | 14 | 61 | 4 | 0 | 5 | 5 | 23% | 16% | 17% |
| Haaland | 16 | 49 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 33% | 31% | 32% |
| Martial | 3 | 29 | 8 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 10% | 7% | 10% |
| Bruno | 14 | 63 | 16 | 1 | 7 | 6 | 22% | 14% | 18% |
| Vardy* | 13 | 42 | 6 | 0 | 8 | 7 | 31% | 18% | 21% |
| Sterling | 5 | 37 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 14% | 14% | 18% |
| Mahrez | 4 | 32 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 13% | 13% | 7% |
| De Bruyne | 2 | 35 | 8 | 0 | 3 | 2 | 6% | 0% | 0% |
| DCL** | 11 | 43 | 11 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 26% | 26% | 25% |
| Depay** | 8 | 48 | 8 | 0 | 5 | 5 | 17% | 7% | 9% |
*League and EL
**League only
This is misleading as it does not tell you the quality of the chances. For example Kane could be taking shorts from 20 yards and is not converted while Rashford misses a sitter from 5 yards.
Both go down as misses but in the end if you look at pure numbers then it will seem like Rashford is more clinical than Kane, which anyone will tell you is not true.
Rashford has 6 goals from an xG of 5.84 in the league.
Kane has 9 goals from an xG of 8.44 in the league.
For the PL: they're running at about equal in terms of conversion from difficulty of chances, which anyone will tell you is true.
For the the CL/EL: there are no xG stats available. But Rashford's average will undoubtedly put him ahead of Kane given that Marcus scored 6 goals from 19 shots whereas Kane only has 1 goal from 10 shots. No amount of xG wizardry could possibly tip that balance in Harry's favour.
Overall, Rashford has been more clinical this season.
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People talking about his hit and miss finishing but I'm more concerned with his decision making and poor touches in a game. We would have some player if we combined martial and rashfords attributes.
| Martial | 3 | 29 | 8 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 10% | 7% | 10% |
Oooooooshhjjj those numbers are rough.
Do you really think so? I highly doubt the veracity of the xG stats is that is what they are outputting.
Rashy is consistently poor at finishing, while Kane is, well a world class player.
Of course this is from watching all of utds and most of spurs matches this season.
In sports like baseball, or basketball which are high scoring, or there is limited variation in the play (eg baseball where its always pitch at the batter from the same position) and there are many repetitions of the same action, stats are more useful.
In a highly nuanced low scoring game with many dybamic interconnected elements that are not easily modelled like football, sometimes common sense and the eye test are better.
For instance, fenway sporting group initially brought their statistical method of scouting (of billy beane and moneyball fame) over to liverpool in order to get cheap gems.
Didn’t quite work out. Football requires a more empirical analysis.
By the eye test it is obvious rashford isn’t a good finisher and kane is.
Should have scored the headed chance as it was a sitter, but the other one wasn't as gilt-edged. Im sure he's taking lots of shit but at the end of the day Salah and Sterling miss lots of chances as well, they just play in teams who create more, and in Liverpool's case have a defense that can hold what they have if need be.
indeed. I am sure Pool fans get pissed at Salah's misses but we don't hear them
well diggity damn.
His finishing is pretty Neymar esque for me, especially when Neymar was younger, and Neymar is considered one of the best players in the past ten years. Very erratic at times, but also shows good finishing quite often, and gets into many good chances because he is simply good both with and without the ball.
I'd say his weakest point is his heading ability, and something he needs to work a lot, but it's something that is possible he never develops to even decent level.
To say that he is shite just because he misses some chances is ridiculous, there are many top players over the years who have showed shite finishing quite regulary, the likes of Neymar, Ibrahimovic, even someone like Cavani, Suarez, Benzema, etc., have all put spectacular misses throughout their careers quite often, and that never stopped them from becoming top players.
I'd say his weakest point is his heading ability, and something he needs to work a lot, but it's something that is possible he never develops to even decent level.
To say that he is shite just because he misses some chances is ridiculous, there are many top players over the years who have showed shite finishing quite regulary, the likes of Neymar, Ibrahimovic, even someone like Cavani, Suarez, Benzema, etc., have all put spectacular misses throughout their careers quite often, and that never stopped them from becoming top players.
Tbh we've always said he's not the most naturally gifted footballer. He's never been brilliant at shooting, passing, heading etc but his mentality is immense and it really carries him through.
pardon? I have seen him as a lil kid doing all the keepie ups so I know he has touch, skill and flair. He also has the capability of doing things other players cannot so how is he not naturally gifted? Is it artificial?
Its one of the criticisms levelled at C. Ronaldo and I still dont get it.
Concerning his header:
I've seen some really poor heading technique this season from various players and teams.
Do they train on it anymore ?
its dangerous
He could be better, but his finishing is fine. You score some, you miss some.
Another meh game from Rashy. Took his chance well and the movement for Bruno to play him in was well executed, but fluffed a handful of other good chances, not to mention his usual poor decision making leading to turnovers and lack of effort on defense.
This is disappointing for me. I get that he can't do it always but I think we've seen a shift from a boy who gave his all and ran around like crazy, to another type of player who seem to play more like other wingers now. I think one of the things I loved about Rooney when younger was his aggressive attitude. Rashford used to have some of that, now he is mostly looking for sympathy after tackles. As long as he provides the good stuff I wont complain but if he is resting then isn't he supposed to be concentrated and finish stuff of on the other end? Love him and he has become a very consistent performer in my eyes but I'd wish to see a bit more temperament in his game. I don't want to use the word too seriously but complacency could be kicking in for him at times and it gets the better of him.
His lack of effort defensively must be instructed to him, because it's quite obviously natural for him to chase down opposition players all over the pitch, in his first two years you could see that was integrated in him, and he was actually doing it more than he should have. Injuries must be a concern, considering he has slow down a lot defensively lately.
Kane does miss some huge chances too, we watch Rashford more extensively so we're tuned in to his performances but Kane also has his moments (the header vs Liverpool for instance)
Who has ever criticized CR7 for not having natural ability? You guys just make up whatever. Even smalling can do keepy ups. Rashford mentality and physicality is why he is still a United player. It sure isn’t natural ability.
Thats not what MOTD analysis said after the game. They highlighted Rashford as being one of the best players on the pitch in that game.
His finishing has been improving recently. Ole and his team have been working with him you see that. His header was an awful miss. However as long as he continues to show improvement then i think he will continue to evolve as a player. Important that he learns from a master like Cavani.
Reading back, I get why it sounds like I was doing him a disservice. I was mainly trying to say that his mentality is very strong and that's what I believe makes him effective.
So you really suggest a player like Rashford, wo has shown on various occacions that he has brilliant technical abillity, is only a United player because of mentality and physicality?
So for example the worldclass control and finish for the first goal against Sheffield the other week has nothing to do with natural ability?
I agree with your original point though. I think he is not very skilled in a technical sense, with poor touch and passing.
Like another poster mentioned, he is in man utd not for his skill, but his good attitude and sheer speed and strength.
when his speed goes, he will not be able to play in the epl.
Ok buddy!
My god, I have no idea what some of you people are watching.
Rashford is class at passing, the last 2 years he has developed incredibly in that department. He is our best passer from the forwards, Martial is better in link-up play, doing one-twos, but otherwise Rashford has shown great vision for both short and long passes. If Marcus can up his intensity more often during the build-up play, he's going to be sensational. Same goes for Martial, to be fair, both are sometimes not sharp enough.
Don't even get me started on the "not very skilled in technical sense" nonsense.
Sancho said he (Rashford) is the most skilled player he has seen. You making him out like he is Obafemi Martins! He also has a good strike on him with power. So the only technical aspect in football is passing?
Regarding touch (Bad control per game), Grealish averages 2, Kane 2, Salah 3.6, Mane 3.1 Rashford 2.1, Mahrez 2.4, Firmino 2.4. Are they all non technical players then?
Wasting you're time trying to have a rationale conversation about Rashford with certain posters on this forum, see Howie for example literally only posts negative things about him.
No coincidence they're part of the self confessed Martial FC. Guess they see Martial catching flack in his thread and think, guess we have to go OTT in here kind of pathetic.
No idea how anyone can seriously say Martial had a good game against Leicester then turn around and come in here and bash Rashford....
Well lets agree to disagree i guess. Half of his games he is absolutely terrible with loose touches, poor finishing, losing the ball by dribbling straight into defenders.My god, I have no idea what some of you people are watching.
Rashford is class at passing, the last 2 years he has developed incredibly in that department. He is our best passer from the forwards, Martial is better in link-up play, doing one-twos, but otherwise Rashford has shown great vision for both short and long passes. If Marcus can up his intensity more often during the build-up play, he's going to be sensational. Same goes for Martial, to be fair, both are sometimes not sharp enough.
Don't even get me started on the "not very skilled in technical sense" nonsense.
but lets just let him lose the ball a million times and just pretend he only plays in the barn burner matches like the 3-0.
He has a good strike agreed. That’s his best technical attribute. He is pretty poor in every other regard though.
Anyways out of posts so lets watch the next game and see which loop of the rashy rollercoaster we’re on. Is he losing balls constantly and missing opps or is it a barn burner. With a player without top tier technique but top tier physicality, every game is a toss up.
according to who scored he has no more bad touches and is dispossessed less than the best players for our rivals! check if you like. I know you won't bother because the narrative has been set
Rashford is an incredibly skillful player, his problem has been consistently utilising those abilities to the fullest. Him and Martial share the same major weakness, that stops them from reaching world class levels - intensity and composure, consistently shown over a whole season.
It's just dishonest to pretend what you are saying is some sort of facts, both the eye test and stats show your criticism is agenda-driven.
What the actual feck? You can’t be a United fan, surely? If you were, you would’ve watched out games, and noticed how much respect he is given by the opposition. He litterally puts defenders on their arse every match by a drop of the sholder and a beautiful touch.
Pretty poor in every other regard. Feck did I just read?!
I don't know about heading but certainly seems players don't train enough on placing the ball in the corners. Its mind boggling to me how many of them prefer to hit with power but no precision. Crazy how many shots from supposedly top strikers are aimed at or in general vicinity of the GK as opposed to 60% of the goal that's wide open.
Rashford FC should start being a thing too by the sounds of things
I'm sure that already existRashford FC should start being a thing too by the sounds of things
Where is the entry form?;-)I'm sure that already exist
What i dont get in general, why do many posters on here seem to only focus on players faults and less on the good things/attributes? I notice this on most performances threads. Of course, when a player constantly playes shit or is not good enough for Uniteds Standards than there is no problem to say it.
I believe its a general problem of our society, to focus more on the negative than on the positive.
In Rashfords case, there are enough things he is good at and already a lot of great things he has done for us, why the need to only focus on the negative and say "he missed this und that sitter", "he's worse than this and that player", "he is shit at this and that" etc. etc.
We all can't say how good he will have been for us at the end of his career, but there clearly is a lot to be excited about. I for one prefer to focus on the positive things.
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That's a nice outlook on life but the internet, unfortunately doesn't work that way. I'm all for criticism when it's warranted like to say he needs to work on his finishing after a game where he missed two "sitters" is more than fair but some of the stuff wrote by a certain few in here is ridiculous.
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