Everything you write is spot on Twigg. Now if only you were as supportive of Mourinho (a man the majority of us now recognize as a complete wanker), your view would be so much more credible.
It is tiring pretending that there is not a right way to 'support' a club - there absolutely is
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Thank you, to be fair I think it is obvious why Mourinho didn’t get as much leeway with some of his stunts, I still tried to get behind him!
*unwatch thread*
Nice post, needs to be said.
I think you just pointed out a lot of factors which explain why we see more flair in England than back then.
All threads become the same.
I get what you’re saying. Minus a fair bit of hooliganism and violence. Which of course some people miss. Whereas to me, hooliganism was back then, and still is, a bad way of supporting a team, if it is at all supporting a team. And that goes regardless of how common it is.
Of course, when saying that, somone my accuse me of aggressively violating their right to advocate violence as an equally valuable way of support by argumenting against it. But to me, argumenting for something is not the same as beating someone up, censoring them or attacking them.
McTominay is very similar to Darren Fletcher in not being perhaps as naturally gifted as some of his team mates; Nicky Butt was another and he was expected to fill in for the likes of Scholes, Keane and Beckham, and did, giving us some incredible peformances! McTominay will become a very decent player, no Ronaldo or Bryan Robson, nor a Scholes or Keane, but none the less a United stalwart who can be relied upon to give 100% plus and every now and then chip in with something quite brilliant, ala Fletcher and Butt.
Thank you!
Forfeiting the right to criticise and brainlessly supporting something is not the right way to anything.
No you didn’t.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the...ication-in-calling-for-mourinhos-head.433656/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mou...ts-after-he-had-conquered-their-heads.434223/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/signs-of-progress-mourinho-vs-van-gaal.426180/
Why on Earth people have made out like I was horrendously negative for years here is absolutely beyond me.
there’s three threads here where I am very fair to Mourinho...the silence from people calling me a hypocrite will obviously now be interesting.
Can someone honestly explain where this idea that I was relentlessly negative and horrible about Mourinho comes from?
I mean.. I was right about Mourinho.. negative? No.
There is a thread above where on the first page I am going through posters who are calling him to be sacked and telling him to feck off and going over the top.
That’s not hypocritical. I have never disrespected a United manager or player because he’s lost matches.
I am the most consistent poster on this board. Some people are criticising me for my opinions on Ibra - my opinion that he would struggle to adapt to a new league and it was a risk signing a player that old who would come increasingly injury prone... I stand by those worries. I made a bet he’d score eight goals from open play in the league or less... was it eleven he got in the end? I wasn’t horrible about him when he was here or made up horrendous names about him and insulting him.
People should read the threads I have posted above. Those who called me hypocrites - read them and then evaluate your position on what I am saying. Are you arguing with what I’ve said or a fictional boogeyman in your head who you are annoyed with because he’s quoted you getting things wrong in the past?
The one thread that has been linked here with me questioning Mourinho earlier on was so well written and captured the zeitgeist of the time it made its way to national media. But yeah... paint me as a hypocrite with low quality posts.
I mean.. I was right about Mourinho.. negative? No.
There is a thread above where on the first page I am going through posters who are calling him to be sacked and telling him to feck off and going over the top.
That’s not hypocritical. I have never disrespected a United manager or player because he’s lost matches.
I am the most consistent poster on this board. Some people are criticising me for my opinions on Ibra - my opinion that he would struggle to adapt to a new league and it was a risk signing a player that old who would come increasingly injury prone... I stand by those worries. I made a bet he’d score eight goals from open play in the league or less... was it eleven he got in the end? I wasn’t horrible about him when he was here or made up horrendous names about him and insulting him.
People should read the threads I have posted above. Those who called me hypocrites - read them and then evaluate your position on what I am saying. Are you arguing with what I’ve said or a fictional boogeyman in your head who you are annoyed with because he’s quoted you getting things wrong in the past?
The one thread that has been linked here with me questioning Mourinho earlier on was so well written and captured the zeitgeist of the time it made its way to national media. But yeah... paint me as a hypocrite with low quality posts.
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You made this thread literally 3 months into his first season 
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/when-does-mourinhos-job-come-under-threat.423360/
That was not only 3 months into the job, he’d beaten City in the cup 1 week earlier.
Was that thread “well written”? I’ll answer for you, no, it was a whiny feck thread to be a whiny negative feck in, the type of thing you are trying to blame others for now. Does it get more hypocritical than that?
You had your name changed because you were so outrageously over negative about Zlatan.
You were insufferable from the off, that’s where it comes from. You cared more about your hatred of Mourinho than about supporting the club.
I mean, look at the replies to you there, almost 100% of posters flabbergasted with the negativity:
@Burrow “I’m done with our fans”
@lem8sh “This”
@Moby “Absolutely”
@TheReligion ”Likewise. This forum is full of cnuts at the moment.”
@Attila “How surprising...
You really are a clown. Total positivity for Moyes but now a manager you don't like is here and you come up with this shit.”
@villain “Our fans are an absolute joke.”
@Rado_N “For the fecking love of fecking feck. I'm out. feck sake.”
If the forum was moderated the way you want, you’d have been long gone for that constant negative barrage.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/when-does-mourinhos-job-come-under-threat.423360/
That was not only 3 months into the job, he’d beaten City in the cup 1 week earlier.
Was that thread “well written”? I’ll answer for you, no, it was a whiny feck thread to be a whiny negative feck in, the type of thing you are trying to blame others for now. Does it get more hypocritical than that?
You had your name changed because you were so outrageously over negative about Zlatan.
You were insufferable from the off, that’s where it comes from. You cared more about your hatred of Mourinho than about supporting the club.
I mean, look at the replies to you there, almost 100% of posters flabbergasted with the negativity:
@Burrow “I’m done with our fans”
@lem8sh “This”
@Moby “Absolutely”
@TheReligion ”Likewise. This forum is full of cnuts at the moment.”
@Attila “How surprising...
You really are a clown. Total positivity for Moyes but now a manager you don't like is here and you come up with this shit.”
@villain “Our fans are an absolute joke.”
@Rado_N “For the fecking love of fecking feck. I'm out. feck sake.”
If the forum was moderated the way you want, you’d have been long gone for that constant negative barrage.
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He’s an awful poster.
Search for “Zlatan” by @Wumminator, even whilst the guy was winning us cups, scoring 28 goals in a season and proving what a great influence he was, Wummy couldn’t shut up moaning about him, all fecking season long.
Whinge whinge whinge, that’s all he did, way more toxic than any single poster during the Ole years.
The Wummy top red playbook goes like this, if he doesn’t like you, player or manager, he has the right to be toxic as feck and ruin the forum. If however, there’s a manager or player he likes, the rest of you do not have that same right.
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Can we shut this thread down? It's really just a large in-house arguments fest. 
I guess hating them is fine as long as you don't call them silly names. Or something, I am not yet familiar with the top red rules of conduct.
Scumbags is fine for the likes of Lindelöf, Fred, Matic, Mata, Blind, Martial, Bailly etc, but call them a silly name and that’s where wummy draws the line.
You quickly changed your tune when it turned into a bet, yet you, super fan, still made a bet AGAINST A UNITED PLAYER FFS.
You lost that bet, lost your username with it (well played @Attila), Zlatan won us the Charity Shield and league cup, and scored 28 goals that season.
Did you shut up whining about him? Did you feck, it went on all season long.
@Wumminator
Good to see you’ve been called out on your bullshit.
Strange idea to make such an obnoxious, self satisfying and sanctimonious thread when you have history, people don’t forget as you can see.
I remember seeing this thread a few days ago and seeing your name next to it and i knew immediately it would be you telling everyone how to support Man United.
Theres now three active posters on this forum who are constantly falling over themselves telling everyone how they’re supposed to support United.
What this basically consists of is 100% backing Ole and never saying a bad word about him.
All other managers can be criticised and mocked (as you did with Mourinho)
Players can be mocked and criticised, the board can be slagged off and criticised but don’t you must never ever say Oles name in vain.
Good to see you’ve been called out on your bullshit.
Strange idea to make such an obnoxious, self satisfying and sanctimonious thread when you have history, people don’t forget as you can see.
I remember seeing this thread a few days ago and seeing your name next to it and i knew immediately it would be you telling everyone how to support Man United.
Theres now three active posters on this forum who are constantly falling over themselves telling everyone how they’re supposed to support United.
What this basically consists of is 100% backing Ole and never saying a bad word about him.
All other managers can be criticised and mocked (as you did with Mourinho)
Players can be mocked and criticised, the board can be slagged off and criticised but don’t you must never ever say Oles name in vain.
It’s sad to admit but ”the pub rule” is no longer adhered to in online forums.
For those old enough to remember, it went something like this....couple fans arguing the game over a few pints and they usually thought the following before speaking....
”Will what I’m about to say likely result in my being glassed”.
That rule kept most pre-online football discussions civil. I did say “most”, not all.
For those old enough to remember, it went something like this....couple fans arguing the game over a few pints and they usually thought the following before speaking....
”Will what I’m about to say likely result in my being glassed”.
That rule kept most pre-online football discussions civil. I did say “most”, not all.
3 losses in 33 isn't grounds for optimism? Come now. Aren't we being a bit churlish?
I have literally posted numerous threads of me being supportive. These examples you are given are absolutely ridiculous and have no vitriol. One of your examples is me saying a player won’t score enough in the league.
Like I said - people have trawled through my posts to find examples of negativity and really struggled. You only have to look at the threads I posted and the examples here to understand how I posted.
Okay, so seeing as Twiggy is getting called for his less than savory comments in the past, could I say that I echo his sentiments? And I’ve not had anything Horrendous to say about any of our current or former players or managers.
Just so we are clear - your example of me being horrendously negative under Mourinho include a post made when Ole was in charge?
Just so people are aware - when Mourinho was here I believe I won multiple funniest thread and top red awards on the forum.My threads literally made the news for being so well researched and there were hundreds of people coming around to my way of thinking. I actively made the board a better place.
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There have been about forty people in this thread now saying they agree. Most sensible posters seem to agree.
It’s an issue that is bubbling over in United fandom at the moment.
One post is someone saying Ferguson and Busby needs incontinence pads.
The other is me saying I “hate” some of our squad players.
In my eyes the use of hyperbole is clear in that post you have shown, there’s no malice in there and I’m not degrading anyone.
I mean, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills at this point. Can anyone attacking me and trying desperately to find any incriminating posts, please argue with the majority in this thread who are agreeing?
Followed by multiple posts defending it.
It genuinely beggars belief.
I will be the first to raise my hand up and say that I am guilty of being unkind to some of the other fans though. But when I see some folks just mindlessly pursue agendas against a manager - a legend no less - who is doing well and may well bring us back to something we can recognize as a Manchester United football club - if he hasn’t done so already, I do get a bit miffed.
While lots of people have a lot to say in this thread, for my part I would say that I have been increasingly finding the constant negativity on this forum suffocating. It may be my personal choice but for me a community is a shared experience over something we all are hooked onto, not a bunch of people trying to be "right" be able to gleefully say "I told you so" when our team or some player does poorly. People will read this and say, "oh so you want us to pretend everything is rosy and great with United, that's how cults are formed".. but, no, all I want is for fans to not behave like entitled consumers and be disgruntled the entire week after a poor result or performance. It is as tedious to others as spending 24 hours a day with a cranky baby. And atleast I have started spending less and less on a forum I used to enjoy.
The other thing that's really tiresome is this constant debate on Ole in vs Ole out.. the man is our manager for foreseeable future (until end of the season atleast), can we just revisit the question then or if there is a really poor run of form (like there was earlier in the season). Every game where we don't perform well is not necessary where we need to start questioning our manager.
But anyways its my take, not imposing on anyone.. I just came here out of compulsive behaviour, closing the website again and getting some work done!
The other thing that's really tiresome is this constant debate on Ole in vs Ole out.. the man is our manager for foreseeable future (until end of the season atleast), can we just revisit the question then or if there is a really poor run of form (like there was earlier in the season). Every game where we don't perform well is not necessary where we need to start questioning our manager.
But anyways its my take, not imposing on anyone.. I just came here out of compulsive behaviour, closing the website again and getting some work done!
Thank you. I find posts like this so vital.
Football fans as a whole are often massively entitled and expect brilliant results delivered every week without fail. It's not just Man Utd fans.
Some of the talk about Graham Potter on North Stand Chat is just as bad as some of things said about Ole here. It's easy to be over the top, rude and aggressive when no one knows who you really are, so lots of people don't bother holding back or observing what would be social norms if the forum were all in a room together face to face.
It is annoying and it does ruin a lot of the internet, but don't think it's just you guys, it's prevalent everywhere.
Some of the talk about Graham Potter on North Stand Chat is just as bad as some of things said about Ole here. It's easy to be over the top, rude and aggressive when no one knows who you really are, so lots of people don't bother holding back or observing what would be social norms if the forum were all in a room together face to face.
It is annoying and it does ruin a lot of the internet, but don't think it's just you guys, it's prevalent everywhere.
it was a good wum, I also took it seriously for a long time but now you've gone a bit too far with this, a little too obvious.That's mostly Sammsky though. Has to be a shoe-in for WUM of the year.
It's 6 losses in 33 in 2020.
Alright Donald
Lack of self awareness, a la Donald Trump, is one of the worst human traits.
You were so SO wrong about Moyes it’s not even funny, and you were so SO negative for 2 years during Mourinho’s time.
You are the toxicity in this forum, and this thread simply another example of it, are which there are hundreds and hundreds.
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Paragraphs like this aren't going to do you any favours. Unless this whole thing is a wind-up, in which case well played