I don't think we have interacted on this to be fair. If I'm honest your pointing people towards Cameron's scandal screamed at me as being the typical way at attempting to distract from Boris' current ordeal. Hence I used the word cheerleader. If you will it refers, for example, to the likes of Trump supporters who now care about children in cages at the border now that Biden is president and also to Democrats who don't mention those children at all now that Trump isn't president. So that is the biggest stain on democracy for me right now. Basically people who only care about the wrongdoings of the other side, hence the sports fan reference. From your post I originally responded to it seemed to me the kind of post that was like who cares what Boris does when others have done things too. Now I probably jumped to conclusions about you being a Boris fan, who like Trump ones, are willing to overlook any fault he has because you support him like a United fan would support Fergie. I probably jumped the gun, which is never helpful in these discussions, but to be honest like I said I am an idealist to fault and as far as I'm concerned the likes of Boris and many other politicians worldwide who have been proven to knowingly lie should be disbarred from politics and never allowed hold office again. I felt your post was saying that ok Boris can have his gaffes but maybe the likes of Corbyn should hang for the same thing. Like I said politicians should be held to the highest scrutiny ever regardless of if we agree with their general policies.
I'm genuinely worried at this 'my team' aspect of politics that has arisen in many countries. Its alright if my side does it but if the other side does it its horrible. Politics should be fluid, it is very reasonable to vote for one person and then vote for a different one if the former has not reached your expectation. So in an ideal World there shouldn't be Tory and Labour voters, there should be people who vote for their best personal choice each time based on reality and any politician proven to be corrupt should be sacked and never allowed represent the tax paying public again.
I thought we had done the Boris news to death that day to be honest, and it seemed like repetitive, so thought I’d introduce the Cameron article which had got more traction on BBC
I’m certainty not a fan boy of Boris, or a cheerleader. I don’tthink he’s as bad as some of his opponents make out.
But that needs to be put in context. We are so far away from having ‘whiter than white’ politicians, there’s what you could call a scandal almost every week. We, the public have become immune to it, and politicians continue on regardless.
Is he what I would want in a PM? No. Does he have the morals I’d want in a PM, no. Does anyone have the morals I’d want in a PM, that’s questionable.
the benefit of Boris is that we all know he’s an adulterous, lying cheat. At least we can’t be disappointed in him...
I’m not sure what we get out of politicians these days, most interviews with any politician are largely pointless.
repeat the question - bridge - get across your message
rinse and repeat.
I wouldn’t treat a Labour leader any different to a Tory leader. I’m actually a big supporter of Kier Starmer, and think given time he could challenge theTories - only once Covid is out of the way, as I don’t think there’s a chance of any opposition having a big effect whilst this still lingers. I wasn’t a fan of Corbin, not for his gaffs and poor decisions, but for his ideology, it absolutely didn’t resonate with me.
i agree about voter fluidity, and it’s why I will say I’m a centralist, I’ve voted for both Tory and Labour candidates. I think our Labour MP is very good, and I’m not partisan to a particular party.
i won’t blindly follow or support a candidate/ party/ personality. I don’t feel the need to ‘stick’ by a candidate.
The medium of a forum exacerbates this team perception. If we got people in the Rashford vs Martial or Ronaldo vs Messi threads face to face, I expect we would have more reasoned discussions, rather than entrenched ideas.