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Football Manager is too blame, they haven't figured out yet that it's not real llife
His offensive stats in the game was posted a couple of pages back and of course that gets ignored by the "he was dangerous" and "Antony was good" crew.
Rashford had a poor game by his recent standards but anything decent we do in an attacking sense has to come through him because we all know Antony will offer feck all. Garnacho came on and his involvement in the second goal was more threatening than anything Antony did all game.
In typical caf fashion, posters will ignore the most obvious things until its no longer defensible. He's not a goal threat and isn't a playmaker, there's no amount of other qualities he may have that compensate for that. He's also no Bernardo Silva as his biggest quality is dribbling, Antony couldn't get the bettet of a Charlton fullback the other day.
Rashford had a poor game by his recent standards but anything decent we do in an attacking sense has to come through him because we all know Antony will offer feck all. Garnacho came on and his involvement in the second goal was more threatening than anything Antony did all game.
In typical caf fashion, posters will ignore the most obvious things until its no longer defensible. He's not a goal threat and isn't a playmaker, there's no amount of other qualities he may have that compensate for that. He's also no Bernardo Silva as his biggest quality is dribbling, Antony couldn't get the bettet of a Charlton fullback the other day.
It does make me laugh when posters seem to be blind when it comes down to how a player performs and then come out with the 'Trust me...he will come good' comment in a player performance thread.
It is as if they think they can see something that we cannot and we are the bad guys by simply speaking the truth about how a particular player performed in a particular game.
Watching him last couple of games, he just suits our game so well. Constantly providing passing outlet, constantly dragging opponents out of position, good hold up play and very aggressive in pressing when out of possession.
ya he is not worth the price tag and he doesnt post world class stats but he suits our play. We wont win this many game this season if we hadnt sign him. He is as important to our turnaround as Martinez or Casemiro.
ya he is not worth the price tag and he doesnt post world class stats but he suits our play. We wont win this many game this season if we hadnt sign him. He is as important to our turnaround as Martinez or Casemiro.
All he needs is to drop down to a subs role and then work himself back in to our first team.
Right now he has no one competing with him due to loans and other problems and this is just making Antony play regularly on low form - making him look worse than he is.
Right now he has no one competing with him due to loans and other problems and this is just making Antony play regularly on low form - making him look worse than he is.
Perfectly fine in the build up for our 2nd goal.
Because he isn’t getting direct assists these cry babies are crying
Because he isn’t getting direct assists these cry babies are crying
Is this a joke. Not nearly as close to the the skill set that am 18 year old Ronaldo had
He seems to be shooting a fair bit but not scoring. I sense that will change and he’ll contribute some important goals for us over the next few months.
Nani had 4 goals in all competitions in his first season
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That's an interesting way of downplaying a lack of goals and assists.
I'd personally like a bit more "stat padding" because this team won't keep winning if we don't start scoring more goals.
Not sure if it's just me but from the games I've watched, he dosent seem to get into the penalty area very much. He loves the old cut inside and curl into the far corner from outside the box. He's not bad at that so I don't mind too much but would like to see him further up and in so he could hurt teams more.
You're clearly biased which is evident from your other comments in this thread. Scuffle began before he even got up..
And I guess you find normal the way Schlupp pushed him.
I think the jedi mind trick of the season due to the world cup has created the illusion that he has been here longer than half a season, playing only a handful of games? Ive seen enough to know there is a player that given time, will have a bright future under this manager.
He lacks a lot as a winger but I don't see the problem of praising his qualities in possession. He carried the ball yesterday much more than any of our other forwards or midfielders. When we want to keep the ball while pressed, Antony is the guy we go for and we don't have many players with his quality under pressure.
To reiterate his attacking output has been very poor so far but he makes our team better due to the profile of players we have in midfield and attack.
To reiterate his attacking output has been very poor so far but he makes our team better due to the profile of players we have in midfield and attack.
He was also around the same age as Antony when he signed for United.Nani had 4 goals in all competitions in his first season
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People seem to forgot Antony did well in CL with AJAX. So how they come into a conclusion that he is not a PL quality, after 1/2 season is beyond me.
Think he's performed better in recent matches. He's far more willing to take on his man , which is encouraging. There's still elements in his game that he needs to improve upon and refine, as he's still capable of doing some real bizarre things with the ball.
Still, again, encouraging.
Still, again, encouraging.
If he puts in the work on improving his weak foot and be a bit more brave in one v one situations (he has the ability to beat players, just doesnt seem confident enough) then I believe he'll be a top, top signing for us.
I love his attitude. Defo a character you want in the trenches with you. Has that shithousery about him.
I love his attitude. Defo a character you want in the trenches with you. Has that shithousery about him.
He works very hard, has got loads of fight and determination lots after the ball very well. But he plays to safe too much IMO, even when he has space to drive and attack his full back directly he normally turn back and either comes inside to traffic or plays back.
He needs to go on the outside more often keep his full back geussing take a few more risks at times. I don't mind him playing safe and recycling possesion from time to time but to be successful here he has got to willing to take risks and make things happen.
He's young and in his first season here so there is time for him to learn and grow yet. But unless he improves his output he will always struggle.
He needs to go on the outside more often keep his full back geussing take a few more risks at times. I don't mind him playing safe and recycling possesion from time to time but to be successful here he has got to willing to take risks and make things happen.
He's young and in his first season here so there is time for him to learn and grow yet. But unless he improves his output he will always struggle.
Nope he should of been given a yellow for the push if he wasn’t
He’s improving.
He needs to get in to the box a lot more and start giving more in terms of end product, although his play in the build up is leading to goals but of course he’s not getting an ‘assist’ so he’s shit.
He needs to get in to the box a lot more and start giving more in terms of end product, although his play in the build up is leading to goals but of course he’s not getting an ‘assist’ so he’s shit.
At least he showed some speed yesterday. Was faster than their fullback on a couple of occasions, even on a 40 yard footrace. He's better when he is direct, but he seems too timid in taking on his defender. He also still has this strange habit of running away from goal, especially on counters. Someone needs to draw a straight line and have him run on it till it sticks.
Then we agree, Antony isn't to blame for Casemiro red.
Opinion.
ManUtd won against Crystal palace - that's truth.
People rating player performance - opinion.
As usual he wasn't as good as his fans(if there are any) want to believe and not even close to as worse as others are saying.
Typical silly post. Not only was Nani a rotational player in his first season, he joined us younger than Antony and was far more creative, he had 14 assists to go along with those 4 goals. Antony has 1 assist which came against Reading and has ridiculously low expected assists stats.Nani had 4 goals in all competitions in his first season
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Antony outside of his purple patch to start the season of 3 in 3 has been a non factor in goal scoring and creativity in the league.
Bruno's and Rashford's offensive stats were posted all the time and people ignored it because they didn't like the style of football.
Wonder why stats are important all of a sudden.
4 goals and 14 assists. The latter of which you conveniently decided to omit, because it wouldn't support your ridiculous narrative.Nani had 4 goals in all competitions in his first season
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People should stop comparing any underwhelming winger to Nani, he was elite at creating chances and nearly undefendable when 1v1 because of his ridiculously strong weak foot.
They weren't ignored, their performances were added as context to the stats. The raw data is proof of their contribution but not necessarily proof of good performances.
Antony unlike Bruno and Rashford has nothing to back him up. His stats are dreadful and the eye test isn't much better. Several posters have mentioned how he consistently fecks up counter attacks or fails to beat his man, use his right foot and put any sort of decent ball into the box.
Antony's redeeming qualities atm are that he's good in possession and works hard off the ball.
I've always been a stats + performances guy in how I rate players. Antony scores terribly in stats and no more than decent in performances. I'm not even sure how that can be argued against.
It can be argued against as there are some important attributes he brings that we lacked for years.
He stretches the play to create space everytime, all our RWs used to move centrally as starting position and clog the midfield. We played with no RW for years and our pass map used to be hilarious with no RW at all
He is always option to progress the play, works incredibly hard and helps his FB almost all the time.
Ofcourse that's not enough as he should be doing more in final third, especially at creating chances. Right now he does all the good job and then cuts inside to play pass to attacking mid position or the overlapping FB. It isn't bad thing but he overdoes it.
His performance are nowhere near as bad as you and others are making out. Right now he isn't backing himself to play killer pass, when he does it there won't be much issues with his play.
Truth be told he's been putting in regular ~6 - 6.5 performances hasn't he. And this is regardless of transfer fee. I can see him feeling the pressure and I hope he uses it positively to improve in his cutting edge.
That's it. He's generally been 6 on 10. The odd 7. If he's still like that next year I might start criticising him but he's doing just enough for now.
I can see him getting outside soon with an outside left foot cross, or a byline cutback and I think he's capable of link up goals through the middle too. Fingers crossed
I said he's been performing decent and a couple of posters below me also gave him a 6/6.5/10 rating which also suggests decent. The positives that you've listed in his game are what makes him decent performance wise.
Decent will be as good as it gets with him if he doesn't start being a threat in the opponents box.
The criticism of Antony is more about his skillset than anything else. With young players they are generally erratic and inconsistent but give you an idea of the qualities that can be developed. Antony has yet to put in a single good cross since joining and apart from the game against Spurs, he's yet to consistently have the beating of his marker. Those are serious red flags. Garnacho in a quarter of the minutes has done these things and Pellestri and Amad would probably do the same if given the minutes.
He also only seems to have one style of shot which also shows limitationsin his game. People highlight Robben but at Chelsea he could score in many ways and didn't actually perfect that curled shot until he joined Real Madrid.
Yes.
Think it is difficult for wingers at Utd with the history of the club, being compared to some of the best to ever do it. There are times he gets the ball in positions where I know if it was Giggs, young Ronnie, Kanchelskis, even guys like Nani and Sharpe that they would be attacking the nearest defender, getting the fans off their seats, causing havoc. Antony is not that type of player, but there are elements he is exceptional at, can trust him with the ball at all times, immensely difficult to dispossess, rarely gives the ball away in bad areas and tactically very reliable.
Might not be the exciting winger we have been conditioned to expect but he brings a lot of positive stuff to the team that helps the overall performance.
People mention Nani. Can you imagine what he would be worth in today's market? Can be a frustrating player but when was the last time we had a winger that gave that sort of output (Rashford aside)? Hopefully both Antony and Sancho pick it up
Starting to see why ETH wanted him. Needs to become more of a threat and not just keep spamming Finess finish but hard work and not afraid to stick his foot in. Something Rashford, Martial and Sancho could stand to have learnt previously. Sure they would track back but they wouldn’t put pressure on players, not like Antony seems to do.
Anyway still say the time to really judge him is next season but he seems to be making steps however slow in the right direction.
Anyway still say the time to really judge him is next season but he seems to be making steps however slow in the right direction.
I think Ten Hag believes he will grow into the side. Ten Hag doesn't seem too bad at getting players to improve so far.
He has been average but I feel like he’s been improving.
His output matches the accumulated xG, so I wouldn't count on that hapenning. He will score a goal or two but he always takes low quality chances as he stays far away from the box.
Agreed.
Well I don't know about others but my biggest worry is how much better he can get. He's very good at keeping possession and defensive work, but I really don't expect him to start beating players 1on1 and creating chances. He is limited player in a way I think it'll be difficult for him to overcome his weaknesses.
Half a season isn't that little game time to be honest.
Half a season in a new league is a lot less than 1 season to adjust... it's half as much time
I think he is capable of playing much better and growing. He's only 22.But yeah... the best players should be effective regardless of being in a new league or not. Martinez and Casemiro have no issues on a new league. I'm sure Messi is doing okay at PSG, though I haven't been paying attention.
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