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TwoSheds

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Grown up politics during a coalition?

Oxymoron. Like literally won't happen just have glacial inability to govern and factionalism wars.
The last coalition government was disappointing but it was far and away better than the governments that followed.
 

Murder on Zidane's Floor

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The last coalition government was disappointing but it was far and away better than the governments that followed.
Yes but that's not saying anything, they achieved very very little and the Lib Dems were unable to water down Tory ideology. Very much window dressing, all it did was put Lib Dems back about forty years.

In reality it laid the ground for the subsequent governments rather than hindering them.
 

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That is the whole idea of representative democracy. If I actively choose to vote for someone who goes out and say "Israel has the right to commit collective punishments" I am complicit in their crimes. Because I chose actively. You chose what you think is closer to your values. Otherwise, cancel all other parties and it will only become a farce of a democratic process just like the American one, a bipartisan BS.
 
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Murder on Zidane's Floor

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That is the whole idea of representative democracy. If I actively choose to vote for someone who goes out and say "Israel has the right to commit collective punishments" I am complicit in their crimes. Because I chose actively. You chose what you think is closer to your values. Otherwise, cancel all other parties and it will only become a farce of a democratic process just like the American one, a bipartisan BS.
How are you complicit? Perhaps if you vote and the status quo support stays in, you're complicit too?
 

TwoSheds

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Yes but that's not saying anything, they achieved very very little and the Lib Dems were unable to water down Tory ideology. Very much window dressing, all it did was put Lib Dems back about forty years.

In reality it laid the ground for the subsequent governments rather than hindering them.
I don't agree it didn't achieve anything. The Lib Dems were dreadfully inept and naïve but actually their policy (that the Tories later claimed as their own) of raising the tax free threshold was very good for the economy and probably largely responsible for the trickle of growth that the Tories presided over. We're back to freezing tax free thresholds now and you can see the results. The Lib Dems being completely outmanoeuvred politically isn't proof that coalitions can't work.
 

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Miniscule of a backbone from sajid. Who'd have thunk it.

Was fine when boris was spouting islamophobia though.
 

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That half million from Reform starting to look really attractive to 30p Lee now.
 

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And what’s the point of representative democracy if the one you vote for doesn’t get a seat at the table, never mind a majority?

You ‘should’ vote for the Party that (a) has a chance of winning power and (b) is closest aligned to your beliefs, then work on the next fight, then the next one.
If that's how everyone voted, here's what Labour should do with asylum seekers and people considered illegal immigrants: send them to Ghana. This would be a way to compete with the Rwanda asylum plan, with Ghana being a bit closer to UK than Rwanda is, with a safer and easier way to travel to, and Ghana being a wealthier and safer country than Rwanda.

This way Labour would compete with the anti-immigration policy of the Tories, picking up votes from people who are very against asylum seekers but think the Rwanda plan is a bit much, while everyone who recognizes that this is insane would also vote Labour because the Ghana asylum plan is marginally better for them than the Rwanda asylum plan is.
 

TwoSheds

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Wow. I wonder how?

I guess the government who has been running the country for the last 14 years is not to blame.

If only she had been in charge of domestic affairs and could have done something about this threat.
Don't you know she got kicked out by the elites for being too honest and capable?
 

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This sort of rhetoric needs to be stamped out the same way the Jews control everything narrative.

Just goes to show how widely accepted Islamaphobia is.
 

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A Tory MP said he quit his ministerial role because he could not afford to pay his mortgage on a salary of £118,300.

Mid Norfolk MP George Freeman resigned as science minister in November.

In a blog post, he said he stood down: "Because my mortgage rises this month from £800pcm to £2,000, which I simply couldn't afford to pay on a ministerial salary."

Downing Street said it had "no plans to change our approach to ministerial pay".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-68133873

What a shame. If only he had a job where he could have made a difference to the country's economy and to the mortgage payments of people.
Take home pay calculator says he gets over £6k a month