Giggsyking
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Unreal. To think she was a PM.
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Unreal. To think she was a PM.
Who are you voting for?You'll get the government your deserve worth this approach. Mark my words.
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Versus what?Labour voter - Winning elections is the most important thing. Starmer needs to everything he can to get into power then change will happen.
The same Labour voter - The tories have fecked the country and used up all credit cards. Labour will only be able to do austerity in power.
You should vote for what you believe in, not against what you not believe in. The whole concept of representative democracy is to have someone who represents you.Versus what?
“I’ll happily vote for a Party that has zero chance of gaining power in this political system, allow the Tories to potentially scrape through for another five years, and if they do I get to blame Labour!”
Is that about right?
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Yeah, that's always about the size of it. Basically, give me utopia and unachievable manifesto pledges so I can feel warm and fuzzy.Versus what?
“I’ll happily vote for a Party that has zero chance of gaining power in this political system, allow the Tories to potentially scrape through for another five years, and if they do I get to blame Labour!”
Is that about right?
Why?You should vote for what you believe in, not against what you not believe in. The whole concept of representative democracy is to have someone who represents you.
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I mean, if you wait around for people who align to your ideals or who "represent you" (what a vague term) then you'll be waiting a long time.
This and now Jenrick claiming some abhorrent shit in parliament, it's action time. Get this fecking EDL mob out asap.Tweet
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"Tommy Robinson... all these hero's."
I hate to break it to you but there's absolutely no chance whatsoever the Tories get a majority. This election is a free hit - vote Labour, Lib Dem, Green, whatever your heart tells you. Worst case Labour have to go into a coalition and might have to do some grown up politics for once, building cross-party consensus between non-mentalists, wouldn't that be awful?Versus what?
“I’ll happily vote for a Party that has zero chance of gaining power in this political system, allow the Tories to potentially scrape through for another five years, and if they do I get to blame Labour!”
Is that about right?
I'm starting to think this may be the case. It really seems like a lot of conservative voters are just going to stay home.I hate to break it to you but there's absolutely no chance whatsoever the Tories get a majority. This election is a free hit - vote Labour, Lib Dem, Green, whatever your heart tells you. Worst case Labour have to go into a coalition and might have to do some grown up politics for once, building cross-party consensus between non-mentalists, wouldn't that be awful?
The Conservatives are, almost to a member, but particularly a Parliamentary member, both hopeless and utterly worthless. They've presided over 14 years of spectacular and divisive failure, they're fractured, they're corrupt, they're washed. Everything they have said over their reign of terror gets proven to be untrue to a greater extent every day. Starmer or the Lib Dems will win the votes of the majority of "small c" Conservatives that actually bother to vote.I'm starting to think this may be the case. It really seems like a lot of conservative voters are just going to stay home.
That would depend on who the coalition is with and what they demand wouldn't it?I hate to break it to you but there's absolutely no chance whatsoever the Tories get a majority. This election is a free hit - vote Labour, Lib Dem, Green, whatever your heart tells you. Worst case Labour have to go into a coalition and might have to do some grown up politics for once, building cross-party consensus between non-mentalists, wouldn't that be awful?
I understand that from the polling, but this complacency could mean a ridiculously low turnout which gives the Tories a chance.I hate to break it to you but there's absolutely no chance whatsoever the Tories get a majority. This election is a free hit - vote Labour, Lib Dem, Green, whatever your heart tells you. Worst case Labour have to go into a coalition and might have to do some grown up politics for once, building cross-party consensus between non-mentalists, wouldn't that be awful?
And what’s the point of representative democracy if the one you vote for doesn’t get a seat at the table, never mind a majority?You should vote for what you believe in, not against what you not believe in. The whole concept of representative democracy is to have someone who represents you.
Does anyone in the West actually understand what democracy even means and how it's supposed to work? I'm not sure anyone does, judging by the responses on this forum, including me.And what’s the point of representative democracy if the one you vote for doesn’t get a seat at the table, never mind a majority?
You ‘should’ vote for the Party that (a) has a chance of winning power and (b) is closest aligned to your beliefs, then work on the next fight, then the next one.
I’d certainly hope so or my degree was worthless! I also understand that ideological / philosophical and practical / actual are polar opposites in 2024.Does anyone in the West actually understand what democracy even means and how it's supposed to work? I'm not sure anyone does, judging by the responses on this forum, including me.
Democracy is two wolves and sheep deciding what's for dinner apparentlyDoes anyone in the West actually understand what democracy even means and how it's supposed to work? I'm not sure anyone does, judging by the responses on this forum, including me.
Grown up politics during a coalition?I hate to break it to you but there's absolutely no chance whatsoever the Tories get a majority. This election is a free hit - vote Labour, Lib Dem, Green, whatever your heart tells you. Worst case Labour have to go into a coalition and might have to do some grown up politics for once, building cross-party consensus between non-mentalists, wouldn't that be awful?
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As if Labour would go into coalition with Reform!That would depend on who the coalition is with and what they demand wouldn't it?
When you look at the list of smaller parties and their probable demands it could be awful.
Labour and Reform.
Labour and SNP.
I'm not sure its worth it I'd rather have and clear Labour majority if I'm honest.
The last coalition government was disappointing but it was far and away better than the governments that followed.Grown up politics during a coalition?
Oxymoron. Like literally won't happen just have glacial inability to govern and factionalism wars.
Yes but that's not saying anything, they achieved very very little and the Lib Dems were unable to water down Tory ideology. Very much window dressing, all it did was put Lib Dems back about forty years.The last coalition government was disappointing but it was far and away better than the governments that followed.
That is the whole idea of representative democracy. If I actively choose to vote for someone who goes out and say "Israel has the right to commit collective punishments" I am complicit in their crimes. Because I chose actively. You chose what you think is closer to your values. Otherwise, cancel all other parties and it will only become a farce of a democratic process just like the American one, a bipartisan BS.Why?
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How are you complicit? Perhaps if you vote and the status quo support stays in, you're complicit too?That is the whole idea of representative democracy. If I actively choose to vote for someone who goes out and say "Israel has the right to commit collective punishments" I am complicit in their crimes. Because I chose actively. You chose what you think is closer to your values. Otherwise, cancel all other parties and it will only become a farce of a democratic process just like the American one, a bipartisan BS.
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I don't agree it didn't achieve anything. The Lib Dems were dreadfully inept and naïve but actually their policy (that the Tories later claimed as their own) of raising the tax free threshold was very good for the economy and probably largely responsible for the trickle of growth that the Tories presided over. We're back to freezing tax free thresholds now and you can see the results. The Lib Dems being completely outmanoeuvred politically isn't proof that coalitions can't work.Yes but that's not saying anything, they achieved very very little and the Lib Dems were unable to water down Tory ideology. Very much window dressing, all it did was put Lib Dems back about forty years.
In reality it laid the ground for the subsequent governments rather than hindering them.
only if braverman is sanctioned. seems like most of the tory Mps cant stand anderson. he is a northern oik after all.Cue Tory party split.