Yeah, probably a great idea to start antagonizing the fans at this point, Erik.
Yeah, probably a great idea to start antagonizing the fans at this point, Erik.
He's weirdly arrogant for someone who loses a hell of a lot. I was speaking to Arsenal fans recently and even they hate him and they're loving how shite we are
At least he's nailed something this season I guess.Was thinking the same, especially when reading through the comments on his character following that tweet!
He’s absolutely nailed it
Any result tomorrow is down to players, Glazers and coaches, and has nothing to do with ETH.There certainly has to be a possible result tomorrow that is considered “sack-worthy”.
5-0 loss? 10-0? What do you think the line is and how have we not crossed it yet?
Indeed. If only the players would not be trying to sack him and instead follow his directions, we would win the Cup same as how we won the Cup last season.Any result tomorrow is down to players, Glazers and coaches, and has nothing to do with ETH.
We(they)? He won the cup.Indeed. If only the players would not be trying to sack him and instead follow his directions, we would win the Cup same as how we won the Cup last season.
No one is performing for him? How so?Rangnick didn't have a team. He identified a lot of problems but the board didn't give him a dime for that January window.
Noone was willing to perform for him then because they knew he was gone at the end of the season. Same is happening for ETH now
You missed 'the structure' and injuries.Any result tomorrow is down to players, Glazers and coaches, and has nothing to do with ETH.
Players did not win the cup last season. ETH won a cup and a trophy.Indeed. If only the players would not be trying to sack him and instead follow his directions, we would win the Cup same as how we won the Cup last season.
Sorry, my mistake, I will now atone for my sin.We(they)? He won the cup.
The Cup. Don’t you dare minimize the value of the Cup as it was just a cup. You heretic.Players did not win the cup last season. ETH won a cup and a trophy.
In Arteta's first two years they had a half-season of abysmal results and three half-seasons of decent ones.Arteta looked the same as him for 2 seasons and you were all making fun of him. Get a grip.
We are about to have our worst PL season in history. Lowest finish probably, negative goal difference, no european football, record defeats, record goals conceded. Bottom of a champions league group containing FC Copenhagen and Galatasary. Our best available 11 spanked 3-0 at home in the league cup by Newcastle C team. And looking at expected points it should be even worse. We’re lucky to only be this bad.
He really wants to stay next season. This is the second time after the "common sense" comment where he is basically challenging INEOS to keep him despite everything pointing towards his ineptness. Getting desperate with each passing day. Starting to feel sorry for him. He is simply not good and failing so miserably after getting all the players he wanted must be a big dent on his ego.
No doubt the cultists with a daddy complex will lap it up as some sort of defiance...but this is pathetic.
Unless we somehow manage to get a result, of course - then it will be 100% credit to EtH and zero credit to everyone else.Any result tomorrow is down to players, Glazers and coaches, and has nothing to do with ETH.
Beyond that are we talking about clubs that were in a similar situation? If you compare a 5 years period and include each managers first years that's what you get:In Arteta's first two years they had a half-season of abysmal results and three half-seasons of decent ones.
Amen to that.I find it amazing how many people are forgetting the primary purpose of this club - to make the Manager look good and further his career objectives.
He takes the fans for idiots (although many lap this stuff up).The thing I can't stand about this man is using narrative statistics.
'We kept the most clean sheets last year'
Yes but we conceded 7 vs Liverpool, 6 vs City, 4 vs Brentford etc
'We've only lost three times in 2024, so things are going well.'
I think we've won one in 9 and our performances have been shameful over the past 2 months.
Arsenal are on +60, while we're on -3 and he's painting out that things are going well.
The injuries excuse is nonsense too, there are three teams who've had worse injuries than us and 8/9 of our first choice players have been mostly fit.
That he is still here despite us having a dog turd of a season has given him a false sense of security. He thinks that he has been able to sell the injury excuse despite a 100 other things amplifying his incompetence. INEOS' middle of the season takeover is the only reason he is still here and gets to spout his nonsense without any reservations. Otherwise he'd been fired 5 times by now. Can't wait for the season to end. Have to keep reminding myself it's only 2 more weeks. Two more weeks.We are about to have our worst PL season in history. Lowest finish probably, negative goal difference, no european football, record defeats, record goals conceded. Bottom of a champions league group containing FC Copenhagen and Galatasary. Our best available 11 spanked 3-0 at home in the league cup by Newcastle C team. And looking at expected points it should be even worse. We’re lucky to only be this bad.
We’ve been dogshit to watch, cant score, cant defend.
Then we get told we just know nothing about football, he’s amazing and then some cultists chip in with ‘if we had martinez and Shaw available this season we’d have 90 points’.
Cant stand the bloke, he’s a total loser and incredibly arrogant with nothing to back it up. I just think he’s a total narcissist in denial at this point. He should have had his P45 in October yet somehow he is still here. It actually looks at this point like we will have to watch him tank the FA Cup final as well but I am still quietly confident he’ll be sacked within a short time of that game ending
The one and one thing you cannot blame him, to be fair.He takes the fans for idiots (although many lap this stuff up).
I love how this only applies to United and yet West Ham, Forest, Bournemouth, Sheffield United, Palace and maybe Chelsea have all sacked their managers but only at United is it the players who are to blame.He should get one more year. Otherwise, it's just another cycle and another manager these players have gotten sacked. The players need to be sacked, not the manager.
He should get one more year. Otherwise, it's just another cycle and another manager these players have gotten sacked. The players need to be sacked, not the manager.
You can tell from these responses people are still desperately hoping for another Ferguson. Anything else is inconceivable. People can't imagine it's mostly a normal cycle in football. We've been badly run, mostly recruited poorly including the managers, we've had some ups and downs throughout these years. But people still have this idea that you find that one manager, the messiah, and you're set. And whenever bad results happen, it's obviously the players letting the manager down. It just can't be that the manager is doing a bad job because he did well once 5 years ago for another club. Same posters who say "he can't be a bad coach when he had a good last season" want Rashford kicked out of the club.I love how this only applies to United and yet West Ham, Forest, Bournemouth, Sheffield United, Palace and maybe Chelsea have all sacked their managers but only at United is it the players who are to blame.
How so?The one and one thing you cannot blame him, to be fair.
It’s as if there’s something special about the club which is going to turn struggling, mediocre managers into world class coaches if only they are given plenty of time. The single biggest issue I have with this notion is that it diminishes Ferguson’s achievements, implying they were not a result of his work, talent and character but were simply a result of the time being allowed to him, and any coach - including EtH or Moyes - will be able to get similar results if you do the same with them.You can tell from these responses people are still desperately hoping for another Ferguson. Anything else is inconceivable. People can't imagine it's mostly a normal cycle in football. We've been badly run, mostly recruited poorly including the managers, we've had some ups and downs throughout these years. But people still have this idea that you find that one manager, the messiah, and you're set. And whenever bad results happen, it's obviously the players letting the manager down. It just can't be that the manager is doing a bad job because he did well once 5 years ago for another club. Same posters who say "he can't be a bad coach when he had a good last season" want Rashford kicked out of the club.
How some people cannot wrap their heads around a squad changing over time and not being the same players really baffles me. Like once you put on the red jersey, you’re Johnny United the same player since 2013 or something.He should get one more year. Otherwise, it's just another cycle and another manager these players have gotten sacked. The players need to be sacked, not the manager.
Actually the players he had inherited - mainly Maguire, McTominay, Bruno and Rashford (last season) - are the ones keeping him in the job.How some people cannot wrap their heads around a squad changing over time and not being the same players really baffles me. Like once you put on the red jersey, you’re Johnny United the same player since 2013 or something.
The players who have performed the worst are the ones he has signed. These players have not got anyone else sacked at United. And if they are to be sacked, the person responsible for bringing them and coaching them needs to go with them.
There is no rational arguments for ETH keeping his job, only emotional/irrational ones.
In theory there are rational arguments but unfortunately his actions and his recent interviews destroyed them. In principle any manager can get it wrong, they all have at some point but the key for more time is to recognize your short comings and pledge to fix them. When a manager blames everything other than the things he controls and pretend that his decisions are not an issue then what are we left with? What exactly is the benefit of keeping someone that is unwilling to have a positive impact, if I need to change everything why not also change him and bring someone that is more than a personal shopper?How some people cannot wrap their heads around a squad changing over time and not being the same players really baffles me. Like once you put on the red jersey, you’re Johnny United the same player since 2013 or something.
The players who have performed the worst are the ones he has signed. These players have not got anyone else sacked at United. And if they are to be sacked, the person responsible for bringing them and coaching them needs to go with them.
There is no rational arguments for ETH keeping his job, only emotional/irrational ones.
Agreed. I do feel ETH should shoulder the blame though I also feel the players should be able to also motivate themselves wearing our red jersey. I feel there's not just management issues, there's something not right that hasn't really been in existence since SAF left. Our style of play dropped rapidly and under good managers. What that something is I don't know. Our current team have some potentially good youngsters including Mainoo, Garnacho, Hoijlund, etc but there's no good, experienced players in the team/squad they can look to for inspiration as Andy Cole has stated recently. I feel under ETH we had a 'false' first season and everyone thought (as we did under Ole after the PSG game) this was a turning point. It's turned out to be a second season slump (yep we've had incredible injuries but even so...) like, for instance, Brighton. At the moment I really wish, before every game, that we can do something special but it never emerges (especially after we go one goal up)...That he is still here despite us having a dog turd of a season has given him a false sense of security. He thinks that he has been able to sell the injury excuse despite a 100 other things amplifying his incompetence. INEOS' middle of the season takeover is the only reason he is still here and gets to spout his nonsense without any reservations. Otherwise he'd been fired 5 times by now. Can't wait for the season to end. Have to keep reminding myself it's only 2 more weeks. Two more weeks.