Yea, in 6 months too.
He basically won half of the total number of player of the month awards in that period.
A shit player, no matter how many purple patches, can’t manage such a feat.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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He basically won half of the total number of player of the month awards in that period.
A shit player, no matter how many purple patches, can’t manage such a feat.
Martial’s mentality is fine.
And by the way if Mourinho wants to play fast attacking football, he needs players like Martial at their best, not Lukaku who unfortunately tends to struggle with fast, precise passing.
I really like Martial but feck me he can be wasteful, like so many of our attackers he fecks up final ball after final ball.
Yeah of course.
Depends on where you set your bar. Player of the month here isn't that hard tbh. Player of the month at Real, Barca or City.....it's all about levels
If only Martial had the drive and determination of Suarez/Ronaldo. He's so talented and blessed with great close control, he should be doing much better.
You are also forgetting the "he has a crap left back" and "his divorce" and "mourinhio man management" and "he is a kid".
There comes a time when you run out of excuses and then it's time to go and I for one will not be sad to see him go along with a fair few others.
I want every player united sign to become great players for the club, but with 8 or so league games to go till the end of his 3rd season for me he just don't cut the mustard and looks like playing for one of the biggest clubs is just too much pressure and too big a stage for him.
I disagree. Jose has an issue with hiding, Martial definetely was trying to make something, it didn't come off at all that's another issue but he wasn't hiding in the second half.
Jesse and Mata were awful in that regard and hence subbed off.
If it’s that easy here, then why are out so called worthy Mourinho players not winning?
It’s not Martial fault that others are struggling to win the award.
When De Gea was wins it, he’s called world class and all that, but when Martial is winning it, it’s because player of the month is so easy to win. Poor logic.
If all our players performed as well as Martial, then we’d be way better off. I’m not saying Martial is exceptional but he has certainly done well enough to be at the top of an average bunch, not a bad one.
He was playing the whole game at walking pace, there was no intensity from him whatsoever. He and Mata had that one moment of quality but he looked like he didn't want to sprint or run at defenders all game, there were overlapping runners just bypassing him for fun when we didn't have the ball. He definitely was playing within himself.
Glad he seems to have pleased posters with his touch map performances but he was one of the biggest culprits for our slow play.
Player of the month awards are the most meaningless thing ever. If I'm not mistaken, Martial has more of these awards this season than Lukaku which is a joke. Martial gets credit for doing far less than anyone else (except maybe Luke Shaw). If Martial gets a goal or assist, it's guaranteed that they'll be loads on here talking about his potential to be one of the best in the world despite stinking up the place for most of the game. Mkhitaryan got shipped off for doing the exact same thing Martial does, ghost through large parts of the game and pop up with a goal or assist.
If Martial was judged by the same high standards of Pogba, Matic, Lukaku, then he would be slaughtered for every single game he plays. Pogba is expected to orchestrate the attack by himself, Matic is expected to be a 1-man midfield, Lukaku is expected to score at the same rate as Kane with half the service. Martial can do whatever he wants so long as he does a few dribbles or 1-2s, 'at least he is trying'.
If Martial was judged by the same high standards of Pogba, Matic, Lukaku, then he would be slaughtered for every single game he plays. Pogba is expected to orchestrate the attack by himself, Matic is expected to be a 1-man midfield, Lukaku is expected to score at the same rate as Kane with half the service. Martial can do whatever he wants so long as he does a few dribbles or 1-2s, 'at least he is trying'.
Send us Martial and we'll develop him to Henry levels. You guys would probably just buy him back anyway.
Not with Wenger in charge
Don't worry, my insider sources tell me we're getting Jardim soonNot with Wenger in charge
Martial isn't even the same type of player. He is much closer to players like Hazard or Robben.
Maybe, but I reckon he could do a job up front. Henry went through the same career progress of being put on the wing. Being played up front by Wenger and ending up banging in the goals.
Didnt say he doesn't serve it, just it's hardly difficult given our performances. DDG is world class and the best goalkeeper in the world. The Messi and CR of goalkeepers. Is Martial? No it's not poor logic.
Like I said and I'll repeat, I don't rate Martial based on winning POM even for 3 months of them. Sorry you have just said it, being above average is now our barometer of success. Martial could leave for me cause we don't have time for the lottery of which ones turning up....sadly seen the sulky one too often.
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We've already seen him play up front, and he plays nothing like Henry. Martial simply does not have the qualities to play like Henry, you can't just turn a player into an Henry. Martial without the ball is a passenger most of the time, he is statue-esque. At best he can float in the final third like a playmaker, but ask him to play on the last shoulder and he won't know what to do.
If anything Rashford is the one that can be developed into an Henry type of player, he always tried to run into space, and can occupy multiple players with his movement.
The thing is we don't have a winger who has been as good as martial this season. he has been our best and most consistent. SO he sgould be last on the list to sell. Rashford has been poor in comparison. Lingard and Mata have had their moments as well but still not as good.
Nothing like Hazard or Robben , more like Gabriel Obertan . I would love to see Martial come good but doubt it will happen here , he just doesn`t seem to have the desire and drive to make it happen .
Nice player, should be doing more.
Well, if you weren't an Arsenal fan I would have questioned if you had seen Henry at all but can't do it now.
Martial is far from Henry in play style. Mbappe is closer to Henry than Martial. Martial peak will probably be like Ribery or something like that.
You've seen him play upfront for incompetent managers with incomplete systems. He's not gonna develop if the system is constantly changing.
Henry wasn't all about movement. He could take the ball and dribble with it too and pick out players. Martial possesses the qualities, just needs a competent manager to develop him. Man Utd needs finished articles not projects.
And Arsenal is where he will get this 'competent system'
Have a look at the History of the player, he was managed by Jardim, and LVG. Both players that tailor their system to young players, and he was shifted to the LW by both managers!
I never said Henry was all about movement, certain players see and use space in a way that can't be coached at such an old age. Understanding and usage of space is something you learn at youth level, Martial uses space to dribble and 1-2 with other players, that is the type of player he is.
Henry was an undiscovered talent, he barely got any games at Juventus. Arsenal's scouting system saw that there was a striker in him and so they went for it. Martial has played a lot of games in a lot of different situations, we already know his playbook.
I hope the club does not allow Mourinho to drive him away. It will be another Salah/De bruyne situation and someone on the board needs to use their common sense. Give him a competent coach and trust and watch him blossom.
Mourinho has been awful with him. The kid was doing well and then the manager repays him by taking him from his best position where he was being productive, and puts Sanchez there. By doing that Mourinho eroded any trust the player had in him.
Just imagine that's you in the work place, you're doing well and your boss hires someone else and basically demotes you when you haven't given him reason to, whilst that new person does a considerably worse job. He then proceeds to shatter your confidence and throw you under the bus whenever he/she feels like. How would you feel? This is essentially what's happened here. Mourinho should not be allowed to get away with this.
Mourinho has been awful with him. The kid was doing well and then the manager repays him by taking him from his best position where he was being productive, and puts Sanchez there. By doing that Mourinho eroded any trust the player had in him.
Just imagine that's you in the work place, you're doing well and your boss hires someone else and basically demotes you when you haven't given him reason to, whilst that new person does a considerably worse job. He then proceeds to shatter your confidence and throw you under the bus whenever he/she feels like. How would you feel? This is essentially what's happened here. Mourinho should not be allowed to get away with this.
If my boss hired a new guy, renowned for his work and seen as one of the best in the industry, I'd be extremely motivated to become better.
I'm not sure if you are aware, but your place of work is not there to cater to your wants and desires. If my boss isn't trying to improve the average level of his employees then I'd be concerned.
Amen.
Nothing bizarre about it. It's clear you want Martial out of the club, which is fine. I just think he's a hugely talented player that will flourish in the right system.
But taking your point further, I think you'll probably get your way and there'll be massive changes in the summer, including the possible selling of Martial.
I think it'd be mistake, not an uncontroversial view on this forum, but each to their own.
He was not better than Martial, nor will he ever reach the heights that Martial can, and will do (in another team more likely). I don't know what people have been watching, but I personally never thought Sanchez was world class - for me that was hype, so I disagree about him being one of the best in the industry.
Also, in case you hadn't realised, no matter what Martial does, Mourinho will still play someone else there if they're available.
In any case, I completely disagree with you applying your scenario to this situation. Jose doesn't do anything on merit as we've seen with Shaw and Young.
You will realise the harsh truth sooner rather than later with Mourinho's ways.
I sincerely hope this does not happen. It is a big mistake, I'm certain of it.
I agree that selling Martial would be a big mistake.
The guy blows hot and cold with his form more often than a hairdryer and so frustrating, but he is still so raw and that is completely expected of someone his age. He is a great attacking talent and there's more to come from him.
The guy blows hot and cold with his form more often than a hairdryer and so frustrating, but he is still so raw and that is completely expected of someone his age. He is a great attacking talent and there's more to come from him.
First this...
Then this...
It's quite obvious you don't give a donkey's about merit, and more about 'potential'. Basically you fancy United to be an academy rather than a football club. Wrap young players in cotton wool and hope they turn into world beaters, when did we turn into Southampton?
Ashley Young and Alexis Sanchez have put on performances that Shaw and Martial could only dream of, and I want Ashley young replaced next season!
Whatever Haram. He is much much better, and no amount of laughing is going to change my mind. Have a good day pal.
I respectfully disagree with you. Nothing you say will convince me otherwise. Thanks for the conversation.First this...
Then this...
It's quite obvious you don't give a donkey's about merit, and more about 'potential'. Basically you fancy United to be an academy rather than a football club. Wrap young players in cotton wool and hope they turn into world beaters, when did we turn into Southampton?
Ashley Young and Alexis Sanchez have put on performances that Shaw and Martial could only dream of, and I want Ashley young replaced next season!
Mou was clearly not referring to him. He would have been taken off otherwise.
Oh look. You built your post on the fact Mourinho wants him out, then goes on and build the whole post on this fact that actually has no legs and changes to a conflict between Mourinho and Ed on Martial situation.. We see lots of these posts these days.
What you mean has no legs? Have you not seen the way Mourinho has behaved with him ever since he rocked up to the club? He name checked fecking Felaini as the 'fans will have to learn to love him' crap, but giving Martial any credit is liking pulling teeth for Mourinho.
You can carry on believing this manager's judgment is any good. Good luck with that.
Totally agree - and look at the way Jose cleverly 'sets up' fans so they start turning on a player (or players) for non-commitment and lack of desire. The comments here from last night's performance are full of them.
I sense huge changes this summer - and Jose is priming us for these changes. Some of our so-called 'favourites' will be in the firing line, Martial, maybe Pogba and a few others. At times, our manager is easy to read. When he lays into players for supposed 'lack of desire and personality' etc...there's only one way said players can go - and that's out of Old Trafford.
Exactly this. I cannot believe people are falling for this. Jose is a manipulator, but you would think people would see through this? It's so obvious what he's trying to do.
We'll be left with uncreative old players if Jose gets his way. Those types are not winning the PL. I hope his supporters enjoy that spectacle.
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