I am not going to criticise him. However, even if he was complete and utter shite (which he wasn’t), there would have been a gang of people waiting to make excuses for him anyway.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Look he's a decent player. Still has to do soo much more to prove himself. A good squad player, nothing more, nothing less.
He's basically the opposite of a 'clutch' player: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutch_(sports)
He's basically the opposite of a 'clutch' player: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutch_(sports)
I expect people to criticise him when he's poor. Like I said, I don't really think he did much to be criticised for today, that's the point.
Thought the opposite, was as terrible as everyone else but let's agree to disagree.
I don't understand the harsh criticism of Martial either. A lot players were worse than him today. Lingard, Mata , Sanchez and Lukaku all played bad but Martial gets singles out. He was actually positive when he came on and was trying to create things. It's not acceptable that our players continue to look for Martial every time and then don't give him any options off the ball. It's like we expect him to dribble past 3 players on his own. Young doesn't provide the overlap and take runners with him. The midfielders don't want to create spaces. What is Martial supposed to do? Even Salah would do feck all in this team. No movement or fluidity. No passing into space. Nothing.
Don't you worry mate, Valencia, Pogba, Sanchez and Mata are getting slaughtered as well.
The Young sub absolutely killed our left side.
TBH, I was really disappointed in his reaction after the ball by Lingard didn't get through, later in the second half, after Lukaku fed the ball through.
Yeah, Martial bust a gut to be free on the left of the box, but there was no need to have a tantrum as if you'd been ignored, the defender positioned himself well.
Yeah, Martial bust a gut to be free on the left of the box, but there was no need to have a tantrum as if you'd been ignored, the defender positioned himself well.
What I don't get is why you bring on your best wide player see him create some opportunities then decide to make him a wing back to bring on Rashford lol. What do you expect?
This one was 100% on the manager.
This one was 100% on the manager.
Awful move indeed, made no sense whatsoever. He was looking dangerous up until the Rashford sub.
11 goals 11 assists this season and he's shunned to the bench. Imagine if he had as much game time as Lukaku this season.
I don't understand. Everyone should be frustrated by Lingard. What did you expect. Applauding Lingard's attempt to kill our attack after all the hard work to shuffle West Brom defensive shape to create much opening?
He plays with zero intensity.
He has that suave composure and lax way of playing almost similar to Iniesta, where it's all too easy to him, but he's nowhere near that good.
He has that suave composure and lax way of playing almost similar to Iniesta, where it's all too easy to him, but he's nowhere near that good.
We’d probably be outside the top four. Can I stop imagining now?
What else. If he shouted at his teammates after losing the ball like Sanchez does he will be lauded for having balls, bravery or character or whatever moronic references the brainless commentators and pundits come up with to hide their lack of technical knowledge.
That's one way of looking at it, the other way is Martial is expecting a pass into space and he is preparing the run towards the opposition box and Rodriguez identifying a weak pass run towards it, Martial has to make a complete u turn to get the ball. The problem was the underhit pass not Martial.
The pass into space if you meant in front of him, is not possible as Martial was way behind his marker to even attempt to outpace him when he was that wide as defenders have advantage in cutting the angle of that kind of pass.
It's a poor pass from Lindelof though, and that should mostly stay his fault.
You are in for a serious disappointment if you hope to get 100m for Martial
Yes it was a poor pass from Lindelof, anyone with eyes can see it but it's being spun to say that Martial is lazy.
Lingard made the run to be in position for Lukaku to feed him the ball. He saw Martials run and tried to play him in, not sure how Lingard's in the wrong?
All Martial was required to do was to keep running in case the ball was fed to him, as a forward should be doing. He made a run, the ball didn't make it, and he had a tantrum.
That's what you get with Martial, when stuff doesn't come off for him he generally has a negative response. Either he lets his confidence drop or gets frustrated.
It's different to players like Lingard and Lukaku who respond to adversity by trying even more.
Then you have Pogba who lives in his own world, he seems to go from world beater to pub player at random.
Honestly - I wouldn’t blame Martial for wanting to leave.
Will not be surprised if he leaves this summer and goes onto to be fantastic somewhere playing upfront.
Will not be surprised if he leaves this summer and goes onto to be fantastic somewhere playing upfront.
What I find funny is loads of people were calling for Martial to get subbed on, then when he was he was shite and made no difference at all, and nothing was said about it.
The longer time goes by, the more you’re forced to accept you have a player that’s just never going to be as good as you hoped he’d be.
Recoup as much of his fee as possible and move on, attitude and talent not currently befitting of the jersey.
Recoup as much of his fee as possible and move on, attitude and talent not currently befitting of the jersey.
There was a moment in play in the second half when the ball gets passed to him. It's clear he needs to make a sprint to intercept it before the WBA player gets there, but he just sluggishly stands still.
Playing below his level, or not arsed. Though this can be said of a lot of players today.
Playing below his level, or not arsed. Though this can be said of a lot of players today.
Actually, the Martial thread says differently. Apparently, he was our best attacker when he came on, and made things happen
.On two occasions Martial had acres of space on the left wing, yet Sanchez and Lukaku decide to put the ball in congested areas. As if they didnt want pass to him.
Lmao Dembele and Coutinho went for ridiculous numbers, Asensio has a 700mil euro clause, Upamecano as a CB has a 100mil clause. What makes you think Martial wont be close to that? He basically started the whole overpaying for forwards.
How is he getting criticised for being angry about not receiving the ball? If he hadn't reacted, the same people would be saying he doesn't give a shit. Lukaku had the exact same reaction to the pass, but obviously it's just Martial's poor attitude.
Outside of being a United fan, if I was him I would leave in the summer or look to leave.
Yeah I can see a Salah/Dr bruyne situation happening. Wouldn't be surprised if in 3 years he is Spurs or Arsenals best player by a mile.
Why on Earth would Martial go to Arsenal or Spurs after improving as a player. That's a backwards step.
The only top team that wins trophies regularly and may give him a starting spot is Juve, even this is debatable considering Allegri loves what Mandzukic is offering for the team, any other top team, Barca, Madrid, Bayern, City, Chelsea, PSG..etc, bench will be awaiting for him much like here tbh.
He will need to move backward in his career and go to a tier 2 or 3 club if he wants a consistent starting spot.
He will need to move backward in his career and go to a tier 2 or 3 club if he wants a consistent starting spot.
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Mandzukic has had offers from China though given he's rejected them twice both in January and last summer it seems he isn't keen on moving.
Because he's a professional who is paid handsomely to care. Do you think the likes of Sheringham and Solskjaer stopped caring when they were coming off the bench. He might not owe anything to the manager, but he, and every other player, owes a lot to the team (and fan base,) which provides him a living.
I agree, but not sure why you say 'even Young and Fellaini.' If more of our players had the mentality of those two, we would be in a much better position. The problem with Young and Fellaini lies in the area of talent, not mentality.
It seems that only Martial gets afforded that luxury, as if his shit doesn't smell. When Martial plays poorly, there's always an excuse for him.
That is of course, if you can get some to admit Martial actually had a poor game. There are quite a few on here that refuse to acknowledge anything negative about Martial; he never has a bad game for them.
Don't get the martial love in at times on here, guy can be brilliant but it is tempered by him being pretty poor a lot of the time. Would love the guy to do well but not convinced he has what it takes.
Reactionary as always, and very short-sighted. Martial has been a scapegoat all season, when he's been one of the top performers on the team. He comes off the bench and scores or assists, 'oh, well he's playing against tired legs so of course he would'. He becomes a starter and scores or assists, 'oh well he doesn't puncture a lung on all of his runs and doesn't smile, he doesn't care.' The whole team performs terribly, but no...let's single out the 22 yr old who just got his starting spot.
He came back from a long way out from last season, and it all came crashing down again when Sanchez was signed. I remember very well many on this thread who are taking a giant dump on him now who were saying that he was a key player then, and that the Sanchez arrival wouldn't disturb that because Jose, in all his wisdom, will play Alexis on the right wing and have Martial on the other wing since he was impactful there game-in, game-out. I, among others, said watch how Mourinho is going to screw this up, and he has. Now you have a Martial who still had some inconsistencies this season (which you can say that about every fecking player on this squad not named De Gea), but unlike last year, even when he played poorly he would either score or assist. The lad now is clearly one foot out of the door, and I don't blame him one bit. He's got no confidence to his game after he managed to build it back up all of this season, for a player who could play on the right effectively but instead has taken his spot, who is 29 and not getting any younger, and who's good performances you could count on one severed hand.
Mourinho is not getting to this team, and has done a piss-poor job managing the players' motivation and cohesion. When you have a manager who never takes any blame for himself and throws it all at his players' feet, who in their right mind thinks that translates well over to the locker room?! I don't care how much better their season is compared to last, they will be worse next season under him because every deflection of the blame he takes, he is going to be losing the locker room more and more, just like he did at Chelsea, just like he did at Madrid, and just like he will wherever he goes next. But yeah, sure, let's sell Pogba and Martial while Mourinho keeps reminding us of how he beat United and has won more than the club has at every embarrassing defeat.
The same people who say there are too many excuses for Martial are the exact same people who use him as the scapegoat for a loss and go missing from the thread when he's won this team points.
He came back from a long way out from last season, and it all came crashing down again when Sanchez was signed. I remember very well many on this thread who are taking a giant dump on him now who were saying that he was a key player then, and that the Sanchez arrival wouldn't disturb that because Jose, in all his wisdom, will play Alexis on the right wing and have Martial on the other wing since he was impactful there game-in, game-out. I, among others, said watch how Mourinho is going to screw this up, and he has. Now you have a Martial who still had some inconsistencies this season (which you can say that about every fecking player on this squad not named De Gea), but unlike last year, even when he played poorly he would either score or assist. The lad now is clearly one foot out of the door, and I don't blame him one bit. He's got no confidence to his game after he managed to build it back up all of this season, for a player who could play on the right effectively but instead has taken his spot, who is 29 and not getting any younger, and who's good performances you could count on one severed hand.
Mourinho is not getting to this team, and has done a piss-poor job managing the players' motivation and cohesion. When you have a manager who never takes any blame for himself and throws it all at his players' feet, who in their right mind thinks that translates well over to the locker room?! I don't care how much better their season is compared to last, they will be worse next season under him because every deflection of the blame he takes, he is going to be losing the locker room more and more, just like he did at Chelsea, just like he did at Madrid, and just like he will wherever he goes next. But yeah, sure, let's sell Pogba and Martial while Mourinho keeps reminding us of how he beat United and has won more than the club has at every embarrassing defeat.
The same people who say there are too many excuses for Martial are the exact same people who use him as the scapegoat for a loss and go missing from the thread when he's won this team points.
I've been a big fan, but I want players who get upset and actually do something about it. The last thing we need is someone sulking.
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