GledTheRed
Full Member
Sell the miserable cnut.
We can't sell Jose, we can only sack him. This is just basics.Sell the miserable cnut.
All of our players seem unhappy. I wonder why that is?Yeah he's a sulking prick who looks disinterested. But we have to ask ourselves why so many of our recent signings are failing here.
Can we have a swap of the managers instead?Chelsea wants Martial and United want Willian. Seems like a no brainer to me. Just make the swap already...
I actually think it is a good move for both teams. I'm not a huge fan of Mourinho but I respect the fact that he thinks about winning now as opposed to building for a future that may not involve him. I think Willian would massively improve United regardless if he's at the tail end of his prime.Chelsea wants Martial and United want Willian. Seems like a no brainer to me. Just make the swap already...
No idea and was a guesstimate. I guess if Everton have to pay 50m for a young Watford player, then Martial must be worth more than that. Transfer market is often based on what others are paying for players.....I don't understand why United's management not sell him in the beginning of the window and buy a replacement asap. Just imagine the disappointment of Martial not being picked for the NT and France won the WC. He is so determined to leave and restart his career somewhere else.
I am just curious how Martial is valued at 70M. Is it based on his "potential" at age 22 or his output on the field in the past 3 seasons?
It's based on past performances, perceived class and undoubted potential.I don't understand why United's management not sell him in the beginning of the window and buy a replacement asap. Just imagine the disappointment of Martial not being picked for the NT and France won the WC. He is so determined to leave and restart his career somewhere else.
I am just curious how Martial is valued at 70M. Is it based on his "potential" at age 22 or his output on the field in the past 3 seasons?
Willian for Martial plus Chelsea pays us 20m (mainly because of how young Martial is) and the deal is done. Both teams improve on the areas where they need improving but both teams also lose a very good player. Everyone is a winner...I actually think it is a good move for both teams. I'm not a huge fan of Mourinho but I respect the fact that he thinks about winning now as opposed to building for a future that may not involve him. I think Willian would massively improve United regardless if he's at the tail end of his prime.
Makes too much sense to happen.Willian for Martial plus Chelsea pays us 20m (mainly because of how young Martial is) and the deal is done. Both teams improve on the areas where they need improving but both teams also lose a very good player. Everyone is a winner...
Yeah.....not like he's the manager or anything!People turning on him really hard, stuff like he wasted his chance to prove that he deserves a spot in starting XI . He could score 15 in a preseason and it would mean feck all to starting place. Him wanting to leave or not, people accusing him that he lacks a drive to fight for his position, like he stands a chance. If he leaves, he could turn mediocre somewhere else and never fulfill that potential to be really good or not but regardless, his future at United should never be placed in hands of JM.
Mourinho has no choice with this really, sadly LVG forfeited the ability to plan for the next 5-10 years on United's behalf when he destroyed our squad with bad signings and bad sales.I actually think it is a good move for both teams. I'm not a huge fan of Mourinho but I respect the fact that he thinks about winning now as opposed to building for a future that may not involve him. I think Willian would massively improve United regardless if he's at the tail end of his prime.
Couldn't help but remember Cuadrado who happily handed his shirt number to Ronaldo and invited fans to vote to pick a new one for himself.I couldn't care less if we sell him, I can see him having a career like Quaresma, bouncing about from league to league, club to club. He was good in the first part of last season but it's a squad game, he has no divine right to start every match, if a new player joins you fight for your place. He kicked up a stink in his second season allegedly because his shirt number was changed yet people still want to make excuses for him. He was rubbish in that match yesterday, totally disinterested and barely touched the ball.
Good question.Sure Martial may not like Mourinho, and as a neutral you can see why. As a supporter of either one, we can have our disagreement on who's at fault. What I don't get is how can some label Martial's attitude terrible and in the same sentence want Willian here knowing he was just as terrible if not more vocal towards Conte last season. And before someone says he's more proven, remember Martial also proved he belonged here at 19 and is more productive which is one of our weaknesses.
Good question..
The reality of football is that it is largely about right or wrong 'fits'. Some players just don't fit well with some managers, team mates or clubs. Take them elsewhere and they explode or their attitudes change significantly. That's why for me, the key in this Martial discussion is,what does HE want?
From what the papers are saying. Apparently his agent offered him to a few clubs and now he wants to join Juventus cause Ronaldo.Pogba wants out? Thats new.
Like the typo 'I'd be Willian to give....'I have visions of us selling Martial and in a few years time see him become one of the best players in the world where he looks a completely different man.
The thing is though, should we not sell him purely for this reason even if he can't get to those heights for us? No.
I'd be willian to give him another season tbh. It's just too much potential to throw away without extreme consideration. Then again Mourinho is the man with the final say.
Perisic is a very effective player in what he does, big game player too. He would certainly improve us of he came here.I hope reports of Woodward telling no to a potential Martial sale are true. I don’t want a KDB Mourinho situation to happen to us. Feck Jose, i’ve had enough.
If he had some plan or reasonable transfer target with long term gains, fair enough, but selling a potential world class player just to bring Willian or Perisic, he can do one.
People saying a swap deal with Chelsea would be ideal, are surely having a laugh. We would get just as inconsistent player without the potential Martial has. Yeah a great deal indeed.
I hope it's sorted one way or another. Instinctively I want a young talented player to stay but if his heart's not in it let's cut our losses. You can't shake the feeling he's been mismanaged but his attitude hasn't looked (at least to the untrained eye ) like that of a hungry young player. Even if you believe he got screwed by the Sanchez signing can you honestly say he looked like he was busting his arse to get back on track when he got chances towards the end of last year or in this preseason?
Him being manager or not, doesnt mean he can be trusted with certain things.Yeah.....not like he's the manager or anything!
Maybe the rest of us just expect a man utd player to put in the effort rather than sulk. Hardly outrageous, no matter how he's treated by the manager (and boo hoo he's not been dealt with that bad) he's playing for the shirt and the fansPeople turning on him really hard, stuff like he wasted his chance to prove that he deserves a spot in starting XI . He could score 15 in a preseason and it would mean feck all to starting place. Him wanting to leave or not, people accusing him that he lacks a drive to fight for his position, like he stands a chance. If he leaves, he could turn mediocre somewhere else and never fulfill that potential to be really good or not but regardless, his future at United should never be placed in hands of JM.
Nothing to do with your expectation, its just reflection of relationship between manager and a player.Maybe the rest of us just expect a man utd player to put in the effort rather than sulk. Hardly outrageous, no matter how he's treated by the manager (and boo hoo he's not been dealt with that bad) he's playing for the shirt and the fans
Seems like a poor strategy to me if so (the buying part). Everyone needs a decent LB, CB and RW in the team.I honestly wonder whether we aren't buying or selling Martial and others because of Mourinhos situation at the club. Its hard to see him here beyond this season to be honest and failing to finish top 4 would all but seal that.