True true. Difficult working conditions when the rest of the team is set up for only countering.Played decently. Far from our worst performer, actually he seems to gradually develop into his role as a striker. I've seen some things from him that I wasn't sure he had in his locker. I think he'll develop nicely in this position from here on out. I don't see any reason to be negative towards him right now. Needs to get in the box during crosses, but it's hard because he is both the creator and the finisher in this setup.
Exactly - I don't care what they call anyone who disagree's with their opinion but this is pure biased.This isn't true at all as he turned it on in the second half and created lots of chances by himself.
This. Hes incredibly frustrating.Went on fully invisible mode 2 games in a row now. Can't get himself to perform just few matches in a row.
I said it previously but the fact our 2 best players are Martial and Pogba, 2 players who blow hot and cold so much is one of the reasons why we're that poor.
Hes got all the potential in the world, but to me it seems he lacks that mental edge and drive that all the greatest players have.When is he going to become the player redcafe has been telling me he is for 4 years?
If Rashford was French and Martial was English, they would be seen very differently on here. That is a fact. Even when he's not in the game at all, Rashford can still pop up with something. He never stops. You just can't say that for Martial. I really want him to succeed but when he's not on it he's completely ineffective.
He is the most inconsistent player in our squad, no way he can be first choice striker with attitude like his.
Why does everything come down to attitude with Martial? Why can’t he just be allowed to have bad games or be out of form, he obviously tried to day he just lacked quality.He doesn’t give a shit. Which is why when things are going well for him he’ll look great and when it’s not he’s worse than having nobody there.
I would say today was another day where a less talented striker with a genuine hunger to get in the box and find tap ins and headers would have probably won us the game with James' beating his man repeatedly down the wing and getting balls into the 6 yard box.This is nothing more than shite talk. Getting rid of Martial instantly weakens us, never mind the bargain basement replacement you have in mind.
It's been "He's gonna be class one day" for about 4 years now. I don't think he's got what it takes to be a consistent goalscorer.Hes got all the potential in the world, but to me it seems he lacks that mental edge and drive that all the greatest players have.
Aubamayang manages it, from the left too.For a striker it's hard playing without a midfield.
But why is Martial not getting in to the box being linked to his mentality?I would say today was another day where a less talented striker with a genuine hunger to get in the box and find tap ins and headers would have probably won us the game with James' beating his man repeatedly down the wing and getting balls into the 6 yard box.
Does Firmino have a strikers instinct or does Liverpool's main attacking instinct come from the wider players whilst Firmino is more a creator of a chances but also adding in good goal scoring numbers?Just not good enough to be a leading striker. He has his moments but he doesn’t have the strikers instinct. No team is ever going to be top tier with this guy leading their line.
Firmino is more intelligent in front of goal, but I really don’t see it as a direct comparison.Does Firmino have a strikers instinct or does Liverpool's main attacking instinct come from the wider players whilst Firmino is more a creator of a chances but also adding in good goal scoring numbers?
1. I'm not sure why people compare Martial to Firmino because both players drop deep rather than run in behind, since that's where the similarities end. Firmino is an alert, defensively strong #10 who's playing as a striker. He's a proper false 9. Martial is a very talented but fairly disinterested striker who nobody would ever play in midfield. If we want the next Firmino I think that's more likely to be someone like James Maddison or Jota at Wolves who are both far more involved in the play than Martial, who doesn't do much work out there defensively or even off the ball (look at the difference between Mata's runs in behind today and Martial's). If Martial is going to be great it's going to be using his speed to run at defenders, not suddenly turning into a complete footballer like Firmino.But why is Martial not getting in to the box being linked to his mentality?
That seems like a poor understanding of football where every striker has to be this one type of striker who plays this generic type of football where they get in to the box and scores tap ins due to hunger.
Plenty of fans here who watch United here has said that Martial has reminded people most of a player like Firmino who creates spaces and chances in a central deeper position whilst making short passes wider before making runs forwards like Martial does after playing through balls. I'm no way saying that Martial is as good as Firmino but neither do I think Firmino plays like Haaland & scores tap ins consistently for Liverpool as their main attacker due to hunger either, that comes from their wider players like Mane & Salah - whilst arguably playing for the best coached team in the world for the last 2 years.
The players are poor, some are being played out of position, tactics are poor, formations are poor, players are super young or excessively old, the coaching is absolutely horrendous - we need quality all over and whether that comes with other strikers or not - because I want that, Martial is easily one of the better players at United & it confuses me why people act like he will find himself in another league or something after being not deemed good enough for United. We can play more than one striker in a formation you know - especially considering that Martial to many is an incredibly creative one that is being poorly utilised.
Firmino covers about the same distance as a midfielder in a match, 11.5km per 90 last season, and is the hardest working forward in the league.Does Firmino have a strikers instinct or does Liverpool's main attacking instinct come from the wider players whilst Firmino is more a creator of a chances but also adding in good goal scoring numbers?
And you think I don't understand that? Klopp has Liverpool as a club as one of the hardest and most coordinated teams in the world at the moment so it it's no surprise to me that a hard working player like Firmino is doing well for them, whilst he is also creative and has a good technical ability.Firmino covers about the same distance as a midfielder in a match, 11.5km per 90 last season, and is the hardest working forward in the league.
Very different player to Martial.