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Yeah, he's been a flop. Whether it be injuries or his general attitude he's just not what we thought we were getting in a CF when we signed him.Shite? Come on mate...
On the salary he's on (£250k) we should not trigger his extension on his contract anyway. He can renegotiate a pay as you play deal at a lower salary like De Gea is currently doing. We shouldn't be dishing out extensions for players that have barely played.Injured again apparently.
I think there are two options now:
1. If the club think he's broken beyond repair or he's got some kind of mental block, we should look to get rid. It'll be difficult, though, given his recent injury history and the fact he's only got a year left on his contract. Bet Sevilla are delighted they took him off our hands for six months...
2. If the club think he can be fixed, we should trigger the extra year on his contract (or offer him a one-year extension), buy a new striker and send him for surgery as soon as the season is over. Rashford looks a different player after his op so hopefully they can do the same for Martial. No point doing it if we can't get him to commit beyond 2024 though, as someone else could just pick him up when his contract runs out and get the benefit.
Agree, it's sad.We absolutely should have sympathy, it looks at this stage like he's heading for early retirement unless he can drastically change his injury record. That's sad to watch.
I'm in agreement that we need a top striker but there's no reason to blame Martial for his injury problems. Ten Hag has done nothing but praise him but he's a realist and I'm sure his top target this summer will be someone like Kane.
Surgery on what? Unless it's a whole body transplant, it's not going to make any difference. The lad's not cut out for it, how much more evidence do we need?If the club think he can be fixed, we should trigger the extra year on his contract (or offer him a one-year extension), buy a new striker and send him for surgery as soon as the season is over.
Just incredibly biased, he's been great for large parts of his United career but has obviously been patchy. These last 2 or 3 seasons have been incredible for injuries and it's time to let him go but not because he's not good enough.Not really, not at this point. The two you mentioned are playing great, the one in question here has been shite for his entire United career bar a promising first season and a 6-8 month purple patch once.
This is his 7th season, the jury's out.
Not sure he's been great but he's not been 'shite' either.Just incredibly biased, he's been great for large parts of his United career but has obviously been patchy. These last 2 or 3 seasons have been incredible for injuries and it's time to let him go but not because he's not good enough.
He was decent in his first season, looked promising, then he was okay for the following few seasons on the left but he never kicked on and hardly ever tracked back and when he did he would do something daft like give away a penalty. Then he decided he wanted to a CF, so we gave him the number 9, then it turned out he wasn't that good as a CF so we bought Zlatan and he went on strike. He's been hit and miss since then, but 80% miss, 20% hit.Just incredibly biased, he's been great for large parts of his United career but has obviously been patchy. These last 2 or 3 seasons have been incredible for injuries and it's time to let him go but not because he's not good enough.
Zlatan joined after his first season, and after that he continued playing regularly and contributing goals and assists.He was decent in his first season, looked promising, then he was okay for the following few seasons on the left but he never kicked on and hardly ever tracked back and when he did he would do something daft like give away a penalty. Then he decided he wanted to a CF, so we gave him the number 9, then it turned out he wasn't that good as a CF so we bought Zlatan and he went on strike. He's been hit and miss since then, but 80% miss, 20% hit.
I'd argue he has been great for large parts, not world class but very important to us. But you're right, he's definitely not been shite.Not sure he's been great but he's not been 'shite' either.
The top reds and passion merchants may not like to read it but he was actually pretty decent under Mourinho (that run of form in 2018/19 helped keep him in a job) and he's had two excellent seasons in there too.
2020/21 was the only real shocker. Since then he's basically been injured, which is frustrating but doesn't mean he's been shite.
YesJust incredibly biased, he's been great for large parts of his United career but has obviously been patchy. These last 2 or 3 seasons have been incredible for injuries and it's time to let him go but not because he's not good enough.
Even you're time line is mental, this really isn't a conversation worth having I think.He was decent in his first season, looked promising, then he was okay for the following few seasons on the left but he never kicked on and hardly ever tracked back and when he did he would do something daft like give away a penalty. Then he decided he wanted to a CF, so we gave him the number 9, then it turned out he wasn't that good as a CF so we bought Zlatan and he went on strike. He's been hit and miss since then, but 80% miss, 20% hit.
Cavani then, whoever it was.Zlatan joined after his first season, and after that he continued playing regularly and contributing goals and assists.
But on you go son, don't let me stop you.
But doesn’t seem to do it with AWB or Maguire or even Sancho when he was out.that's good man management, you need to keep all the players on board until the end of the season, what happens then is a different story though
Have always thought this was the case but too late to be remedied,how on earth are we going to get money for him in the summerAgree, it's sad.
Honestly, I hope it's not the club's fault. Martial himself said he often played injured under Ole, and you have to wonder whether that's contributed to the problem (if true).
We're not sadly. Even if someone wanted him, they'd know he'll be available on a free in a year's time.Have always thought this was the case but too late to be remedied,how on earth are we going to get money for him in the summer
Shocker every flop we've had most of them had their okayish moment. Even kagawa..doesnt cut it for top 2 aspiring clubs.Not sure he's been great but he's not been 'shite' either.
The top reds and passion merchants may not like to read it but he was actually pretty decent under Mourinho (that run of form in 2018/19 helped keep him in a job) and he's had two excellent seasons in there too.
2020/21 was the only real shocker. Since then he's basically been injured, which is frustrating but doesn't mean he's been shite.
Except where it matters most.For what he has cost I'd label him as a flop.
Yeah not a bad ideaWe're not sadly. Even if someone wanted him, they'd know he'll be available on a free in a year's time.
If we want to protect the asset, the best option is probably to renew him for a year (on a reduced salary if necessary) and do whatever it takes to get him back fit. Maybe (hopefully) an operation will fix it.
Martials fan base really has no limit. Martial great? At United? For large parts? Deary me.I'd argue he has been great for large parts, not world class but very important to us. But you're right, he's definitely not been shite.
damn Antony too. Injuries are wrecking us
People on here did say this could happendamn Antony too. Injuries are wrecking us
Even Bebe?Shocker every flop we've had most of them had their okayish moment. Even kagawa..doesnt cut it for top 2 aspiring clubs.
Just sell him and move on
We need way more depth, we're not only short on quality but also in numbers. Martial can't be relied upon he spends more time injured than fit.damn Antony too. Injuries are wrecking us
I am surprised to read his salary is £250k (is that per week or for the rest of the season) because if it is per week, well before he joined Manchester United had it not been revealed that there was to be a salary cap at Old trafford of £200k?On the salary he's on (£250k) we should not trigger his extension on his contract anyway. He can renegotiate a pay as you play deal at a lower salary like De Gea is currently doing. We shouldn't be dishing out extensions for players that have barely played.
With Antony too? I mean it can happen to anyonePeople on here did say this could happen
Per week, he was given a pay rise during the dark days when Joel Glazer described him as his favourite player and compared him to Pele...I am surprised to read his salary is £250k (is that per week or for the rest of the season) because if it is per week, well before he joined Manchester United had it not been revealed that there was to be a salary cap at Old trafford of £200k?
Agree to an extent (aka Van Basten and that ankle that was hacked to pieces) - however there are certain things some players can do to minimise the risk of injuries recurring. Be it diet / slimming down (Tony's a big boned lad) / what car you drive (pretty sure when Giggs kept having ham string injuries he was told to stop driving low sports cars and taking up yoga) / getting the right sleep etc.I'm never going to blame a player for being injured frequently, but eventually you have to cut your losses. Martial always had talent, but now he's in the camp of unfulfilled potential. We can argue the why, but it doesn't change the fact. Letting him go on a free is better than paying him £2m per goal....
Wait which one is right? Who's telling porky pies?This season he is 66th percentile for xG, 77th for non penalty xG, 83rd for non xG. 23rd for aerials won, but we already knew he was shite in the air. He makes it up with the rest of his game — he’s 99th percentile in assist.
Thats what fecked him under Ole.Really pissed me off this season. He just doesn’t have the drive to play through pain. Ten Hag eluded to that earlier in the season.
Exactly – his current situation is likely a result of Ole running him and Rashford into the ground.Thats what fecked him under Ole.
He was never overplayed under OleExactly – his current situation is likely a result of Ole running him and Rashford into the ground.
Depends on your definition of overplayed but according to Martial, he play with injury for Ole and felt he didn't get the backing or support when he was out for longer times. There's an interview you can look at.He was never overplayed under Ole
He's doing the same now then isn't he?Depends on your definition of overplayed but according to Martial, he play with injury for Ole and felt he didn't get the backing or support when he was out for longer times. There's an interview you can look at.
