Film Avatar: The Way of Water

I don't think it's possible for CGI or SFX to excite audiences any more. That's why Hollywood tried to push 3D in the first place. Cinema has already reached the limit of visual innovation. Avatar 2 has no further heights to reach. Without exaggeration, I've seen videogame cutscenes that were no less impressive than that trailer.

I don't know if it'll flop completely. But I definitely wouldn't be surprised. If it were possible to short sell a movie's box office takings, I would.
 
Hopefully Avartar can achieve 3D without glasses like the first movie did with glasses.
 
Here's what Avatar 2 & 3 will be up against...

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I'm sure they'll make top 10 easy.
 
But the important question here is, have they used the same Papyrus font for the Logo?
 
I am in no way a fan of Avatar the 1st film was trash, however i saw the trailer for this in the IMAX i watched Dr Strange in and this visually in that format will blow you away.

The depth of this was insane ive never seen anything like that before.
 
The first Avatar was such a boring movie I almost walked out of it. Yes it looked great and the 3D stuff was impressive at the time but the story was awful. Now as others have said the tech has moved on a lot and it's not unusual to see just as good and better CGI in movies so I'm not sure what this sequel will have to offer without that 'wow' factor the original could claim to have at the time.
 
The caf is harsh on the original Avatar yet lap up every bang average Marvel and Star Wars film/show
 
The director of some of cinema's biggest blockbusters could do anything but he plans to make five films about a blue guy who fecks his flying horse?

I fully expect him to release a documentary after the fifth film called "How I Managed to Sell Shit to People."
 
amolbhatia50k said:
The caf is harsh on the original Avatar yet lap up every bang average Marvel and Star Wars film/show
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I was just about to say the same thing. People going on about the story being shit for feck's sake. How many times has similar themes been covered in other films and yeah they'll lap up all the Marvel shit that's been churned out for years.


Mr Pigeon said:
The director of some of cinema's biggest blockbusters could do anything but he plans to make five films about a blue guy who fecks his flying horse?

I fully expect him to release a documentary after the fifth film called "How I Managed to Sell Shit to People."
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I'm willing to bet my house that you probably thought Captain America and the Winter Soldier or The Dark Knight were great pieces of cinema or some other Christopher Nolan crap? Probably Interstellar was a movie masterpiece?

I don't know how or when it started but it must just be a thing to shit on Cameron and his Avatar movies or perhaps it's just some running joke that I'm not in on but posts like this, with all due respect are just full of shit. Thankfully it won't make a scrap of difference. Avatar is coming.
 
RedPed said:
I was just about to say the same thing. People going on about the story being shit for feck's sake. How many times has similar themes been covered in other films and yeah they'll lap up all the Marvel shit that's been churned out for years.




I'm willing to bet my house that you probably thought Captain America and the Winter Soldier or The Dark Knight were great pieces of cinema or some other Christopher Nolan crap? Probably Interstellar was a movie masterpiece?

I don't know how or when it started but it must just be a thing to shit on Cameron and his Avatar movies or perhaps it's just some running joke that I'm not in on but posts like this, with all due respect are just full of shit. Thankfully it won't make a scrap of difference. Avatar is coming.
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Tbf The Dark Knight is my favourite movie but it's mainly for the time in my life when I saw it more than anything else. I don't really have a problem with Avatar, it was a fun movie. I just question why Cameron, my favourite director and arguably one of the greatest visionaries of modern cinema, is making four more Avatars when he could do anything he wanted. Its biggest selling point when it came out was it's CG and we've reached a technological point where, unless these next ones advance the tech to the point where the fifth one literally reaches out of the screen and slaps you, it can't impress me nearly as much as the original.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Tbf The Dark Knight is my favourite movie but it's mainly for the time in my life when I saw it more than anything else. I don't really have a problem with Avatar, it was a fun movie. I just question why Cameron, my favourite director and arguably one of the greatest visionaries of modern cinema, is making four more Avatars when he could do anything he wanted. Its biggest selling point when it came out was it's CG and we've reached a technological point where, unless these next ones advance the tech to the point where the fifth one literally reaches out of the screen and slaps you, it can't impress me nearly as much as the original.
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That is true. This is guy who made what is in my mind the greatest action of all time in Terminator 2. But I guess he's at a 'safe' stage if his career.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
That is true. This is guy who made what is in my mind the greatest action of all time in Terminator 2. But I guess he's at a 'safe' stage if his career.
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That's also true. He's already made his mark in the industry so if he wants to have fun making these then fair enough.
 
They almost certainly won't be able to sell this visually like the first one.... so it'll have to be sold based on the film, and franchise - which they can't actually build because it takes them 13 years to create a follow up and have nothing else that even ties into it.

Cameron has flirted with the term 'flop' and thrived on defying predictions..... the dude will go out swinging regardless. But I have no interest whatsoever in a Cameron directed film for the first time ever, how he mangled me into being interested in Titanic and Avatar in the first place, I'll never know.
 
Really can't see how this ends up anything other than a flop.. the story in the first one actually made me cringe, it was that bad. And it was a very different time back then.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Tbf The Dark Knight is my favourite movie but it's mainly for the time in my life when I saw it more than anything else. I don't really have a problem with Avatar, it was a fun movie. I just question why Cameron, my favourite director and arguably one of the greatest visionaries of modern cinema, is making four more Avatars when he could do anything he wanted. Its biggest selling point when it came out was it's CG and we've reached a technological point where, unless these next ones advance the tech to the point where the fifth one literally reaches out of the screen and slaps you, it can't impress me nearly as much as the original.
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Why couldn't you have said that in the first place rather than being a smartass about it? And Dark Knight?, yeah, I knew it. I rest my case. Sequels are being made all the time. That's pretty much the Marvel way but nobody bats an eyelid. You've seen one superhero movie, you've seen them all. Very similar, very predictable. So why does Cameron have to bring out something groundbreaking everytime? Are you expecting any of the Phase 5 MCU movies to jump out of the screen and grab you to be successful? I don't get your point.

I don't understand why people who have no interest in the movie are just dumping idiotic comments in the thread?
 
RedPed said:
Why couldn't you have said that in the first place rather than being a smartass about it? And Dark Knight?, yeah, I knew it. I rest my case. Sequels are being made all the time. That's pretty much the Marvel way but nobody bats an eyelid. You've seen one superhero movie, you've seen them all. Very similar, very predictable. So why does Cameron have to bring out something groundbreaking everytime? Are you expecting any of the Phase 5 MCU movies to jump out of the screen and grab you to be successful? I don't get your point.

I don't understand why people who have no interest in the movie are just dumping idiotic comments in the thread?
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If you didn't get my point about not liking his plan to bring out four more Avatar movies then you didn't read my paragraph until the end. It was quite clear.

It's not idiotic to bring some brevity to a football fansite, since it's pretty much the standard thing to do. Especially when it's not a serious current events thread, but one about a giant smurf that protects a giant tree from getting attacked by unobtanium hunting marines. My fears for the upcoming movies don't prevent me from having an interest in them, nor does it need to meet your standards on what can and can't be typed here.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
If you didn't get my point about not liking his plan to bring out four more Avatar movies then you didn't read my paragraph until the end. It was quite clear.

It's not idiotic to bring some brevity to a football fansite, since it's pretty much the standard thing to do. Especially when it's not a serious current events thread, but one about a giant smurf that protects a giant tree from getting attacked by unobtanium hunting marines. My fears for the upcoming movies don't prevent me from having an interest in them, nor does it need to meet your standards on what can and can't be typed here.
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Ah fair enough, I can see how instead, you would rather watch some grown man rich guy running around in a hood and black onesie talking like he's got a sore throat, playing cops and robbers. Gotcha. Yeah in the grand scheme of things, Cameron won't give a rats ass what we think anyway.

He'll continue to make his movies and people will continue to flock and see them, just like they do with other franchises.
 
RedPed said:
Ah fair enough, I can see how instead, you would rather watch some rich guy running around in a hood and black onesie talking like he's got a sore throat, playing cops and robbers. Gotcha. Yeah in the grand scheme of things, Cameron won't give a rats ass what we think anyway.

He'll continue to make his movies and people will continue to flock and see them, just like they do with other franchises.
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I would actually rather watch a James Cameron that was good if I'm honest. He is my favourite director after all. I know that goes completely against the argument you've boiled in your head but at this point I really don't give much of a shit.
 
I am hardly excited for part 2.

I had gone to the first movie only for the special effects in 3D, and was astonished that the storyline was as simplistic as "man infiltrates a colony to acquire something, but falls in love and turns his back on people who sent him". Has been done so many times in multiple languages.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
The director of some of cinema's biggest blockbusters could do anything but he plans to make five films about a blue guy who fecks his flying horse?
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Yep letting the man who made Terminator 1 & 2 make 5 films about blue people is why we need state censorship. Ideally after making Avatar 1, he would be under house arrest until he came up with something new.
RedPed said:
Why couldn't you have said that in the first place rather than being a smartass about it? And Dark Knight?, yeah, I knew it. I rest my case. Sequels are being made all the time. That's pretty much the Marvel way but nobody bats an eyelid. You've seen one superhero movie, you've seen them all. Very similar, very predictable.
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While mostly true, the Nolan films are class tbh. The only mistake people make is thinking that the 3rd film isn’t the best one. Nolan is the closest to a modern day Cameron although he isn’t in the same league as the Canadian god king.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
I would actually rather watch a James Cameron that was good if I'm honest. He is my favourite director after all. I know that goes completely against the argument you've boiled in your head but at this point I really don't give much of a shit.
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Yeah same here. Soon as you said The Dark Knight was your favourite film, which I was bang on the money with, you kinda lost any kind of credibility in this thread, which is quite hilarious, when you think about it.
 
Sweet Square said:
Yep letting the man who made Terminator 1 & 2 make 5 films about blue people is why we need state censorship. Ideally after making Avatar 1, he would be under house arrest until he came up with something new.

While mostly true, the Nolan films are class tbh. The only mistake people make is thinking that the 3rd film isn’t the best one. Nolan is the closest to a modern day Cameron although he isn’t in the same league as the Canadian god king.
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The Batman movies peaked with the Adam West and Burt Ward version. The Dark Knight Trilogy was absolute trash, which makes the hate in here so ironic. Hopefully the R-Pat versions will generate some kind of redemption for the poor guy.
 
If this is the one phrase they chose from the entire movie to get people excited, it doesn’t look promising.

Visuals look great though.
 
I was pretty young at the time but I loved the first film. I find this a much more engaging world/lore than marvel/superheros which are mostly a massive cringe fest. Very excited for this, will have to go and watch it in the cinema.
 
The visuals seemed no different from the first one to be honest, I don't know what I expected.

Maybe he has lost his touch? Didn't really like titanic (though the first avatar as forgettable as it was , was rather enjoyable for me) but than he apparently wrote the latest terminator's script and honestly I felt it was shit.

Also what's with the Nolan hate fest going on further up from here, like him or not his movies are at least technical marvels(needs to tone down his dumb sound design habit that he's gotten himself into since Dunkirk).
 
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