I don't believe this is the scenario but if it was I would rather we missed top 4. I've seen enough of LVG in the CL this season to say its not worth it
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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We'd still qualify.
Top 3 , 4th is not enough to save him!!
Based on what exactly?
Correct.
Unless City finish 5th and win the CL. In that case we go straight to jail, i.e. the Europa League.
In our casting show society, if your Mum says you're brilliant during breakfast but you haven't been offered a contract by lunch it's time to blame the manager for
not recognizing your talent.
Whining spoilt fecks
I've just read through the time line of events - this would make a fantastic movie/documentary to watch.
Here goes this lie that is constantly peddled around here.
I think Van Gaal is an outdated manager that should long have been fired, but that has nothing to do with wanting Mourinho.
Its not because of desperation that I want one of the three best managers in the game at United.
The great thing about having Sir Alex as manager was being able to witness what a proper world class manager can do ,
Sadly, post Sir Alex we've hired a manager that is over the hill, and one that didnt even know how to climb one.
I have wanted Jose (and would have settled for another proven world class manager) for years now.
People may not like him. But you cant deny his ability. It wouldnt be the first time United has taken in a troubled genius (Cantona was no angel), given the stage I am sure he can perform.
Using examples of two teams with players that have routinely hounded out managers before is futile. Look at the players that Jose had problems with at Chelsea and Real. The Ronaldo's, Terry's and Casillas of this world. Most of them have had run-ins with more than one manger. To lay the entire blame on him is unfair. But that doesnt make him faultless.
Just shut up. To write players off at such a young age - do you even watch football?
There isn't much left that hasn't been smashed to bits by Moyes and Van Gaal.
actually it's not just hearsay. The BBC reported the meeting between his people and United's, not on their gossip column but as the main story on their website using their own sources. In British media terms you cannot get more concrete than that. The rest of it might be inference and extrapolation, but you can take the BBC report as evidence unless you want a photographic proof or direct quotes from the man himself
If all the reports from credible sources like the BBC, that Inter director, the fact that neither United or Mourinho have denied it (to my knowledge), a reliable Spanish paper saying it's happening and various fairly reliable foreign journalists saying it's a done deal etc etc don't confirm that both parties are at least interested and have had some discussions then what sort of credible evidence would you need to convince you that there's something to these rumours then?
Would you need Jose himself to come out at half time during our next home game to a WWF style smoke and fireworks show with a T-shirt gun and then proceed to shoot shirts into the crowd with his face on them and the slogan ''Coming July 2016''. While a plane flies over head trailing a banner that says Welcome to Manchester Jose.
Anything can happen between now and July and nothings certain until a contract is signed. But Jesus this is as strong a rumour as you can get in football.
yes please
Next game at OT, we'll hear an Undertaker gong, a flash of thunder and he'll appear at the top of the highest stand in a black trenchcoat.
Should make it to pitchside at 'Taker pace just in time for his first match in charge next August.
Our two most recent managers have in effect been undertakers, tbf.
Moyes was more of a Shockmaster.....
Yeah, and don't forget Sexton. We've a long history of macabre managers when you think about it.
Maureen should forget about being the happy one if he's coming, that's for sure - unless he plans on donning the ol' mortician's smile.
As for whether he's actually coming or not - he probably is.
I don't quite get the iron clad logic some seem to see in certain moves (or non-moves) on the club's part, though. But whatever, I guess. If it's a deal, it's a deal - and precisely why we've opted to go about it in this fashion doesn't really matter.
I don't quite get the iron clad logic some seem to see in certain moves (or non-moves) on the club's part, though. But whatever, I guess. If it's a deal, it's a deal - and precisely why we've opted to go about it in this fashion doesn't really matter.
It started at the start of Van Gaal's reign. He didn't have a clue how to play in these conditions and he's made almost zero effort to adapt, it was obvious right from the start he was the "name" and the forefront "persona" everybody wanted but when the rest got peeled back it was a crusty old turd wrapped in aluminum foil.
When you make this statement, do you mean the times he has spoken about it in press conferences? I think when he says "get third" it is an easy way for him to make a rather loose statement that the club needed to improve on last year and not an actual stipulated guideline that he must finish in third place of higher.
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I hope the plan is for Jose to report for duty in June, not July. A season can be won or lost with the transfer work that gets done in June.
Yeah, Moyes' tenure was clearly fantastic.
Jesus christ, there is pessimism and then there's this. Get a hold of yourself ffs.
Very true, but it's being said that Mourinho is already being consulted with regards to transfer business.
Andrea Berta is probably being consulted as well, and if he's coming, it's likely that he'll start working at the club earlier than Mourinho.
You can almost see the asteroid in the atmosphere now.I wonder if there are people (apart from the anomaly that's is @Drifter) that still think Moyes was faultless during his tenure.
For me it's like this - I strongly believe nothing has been decided, because the club would look rather idiotic if Van Gaal met his objectives and we'd already signed a contract with Mourinho. It's my belief that Mourinho and his people are trying to present it as a fait accompli by hints and subtle suggestions in the media, in order to put pressure on the club to make the decision.
It may or may not happen eventually, but I don't think it's yet anywhere near the done deal a lot of people think it is. It's illogical that it would be decided at present, signed contract or not.
That argument stands on very weak ground.
The club can sack LvG regardless of meeting objectives or not.
Feeling. Basically like everyone else on here speculating, there are no facts currently. Everything is possible, even if the Mourinho brigade will try to convince you it is a done deal, far from it.
It doesn't stand on very weak ground at all. It's entirely logical because the club has had plenty of opportunity and reason to sack Van Gaal already but hasn't. Why then would it sack him at the end of the season if he met his objectives?
What's the point of sacking LvG when the only alternative for the rest of season would be Giggs?
It seems to me as if there's a lot of fans who are taking great sadistic pleasure at the possibility of LvG still being here next season. So much, that every other alternative is discarded as speculation!
That would have been preferable to be honest.
If you think so, then that is up to you. He certainly didn't have us playing soul destroying football. He was removed quickly before he could do any real and lasting damage to the core of the club. Someone with Van Gaal's reputation for building has rather bizarrely continued to smash his spiked flag into the concrete while wondering why it isn't going in.
We made a legitimate "philosophy" detour when Van Gaal came to the club and that was made obvious by Woodward's appointment and continued support of him. Stark contrast to Moyes who floundered in shallow water and was put out of his misery quick smart.
Ah Rene Muelensteen's finest moment as a manager, no doubt. I'd be curious to see if Van Gaal can boast a match we've played under his leadership with 75% possession and 40 shots for United (9 on, 31 off).
Stekelenberg was outstanding in that game and we really easily could have more than two goals. In fact, we probably should have.
You seem to think so, so it is up to you.
He certainly did have us playing soul destroying football. We finished 7th and outside the CL places after ages, lost at home to teams that hadn't beaten us at OT in multiple decades and all that after winning the league title by a margin. He did indeed do "real and lasting" damage to the core of the club as he took a team that won the league and obliterated them within 6 months. His tenure saw a championship winning squad fall to pieces. If that's not real damage, I don't know what is. It's semantics and petty to try and paint him in good light because the next guy also did badly.
It's actually amusing to see all the pro-Moyes chaps crawl out of the woodworks now, trying to play down how piss poor that season was for the club and how much of a laughable fall from grace he oversaw.
It takes some serious bias/terrible logical thinking to actually manage to exclude Moyes' tenure from our supposed "bad years" and claim that LVG started the fall. It's something I'd expect of a die-hard Moyes fan, which I'm not sure why any Manchester United supporter would be.
"oh wait, that match, let me just find an excuse for that one"
Same procedure as always.
In regards to Moyes, didn't have a clue, came across as clueless as it gets. He was so out of his depth and comfort zone that it was sad to watch it unfold.
It's like those youtube compilations of people getting badly hurt while doing daft things, it's funny as long as it's not happening to you.
No, I don't. Nowhere have I said that, nor have I even mentioned it. You brought it up, you seem to want to be projecting it onto me to suit your argument.
Who are these "pro-Moyes chaps"? I haven't come across very many and I certainly don't see what you describe as a hoard of "pro-Moyes chaps" anywhere on this board coming out of the woodwork to provide you with amusement.
Agreed, he didn't really have a clue about how to run a club the size of United. If you watch Rio's Oxford QnA he says one of Moyes biggest downfalls was that he made the mistake of cutting ties with every piece of delegation that Sir Alex had set up before realizing that the load he had to take on was far to much for one man. His attempt to "rebuild" was to do what is commonly described on here as "dither" (dithering Dave) for the first season and he's even said himself in interviews that he didn't see the sack coming as he was always assured that he would get the time required to "rebuild the club" the way he saw it.
Thankfully that idea was knifed from behind very early by Woodward. I did mention the stark contrast and the credibility that Van Gaal has built with Woodward. That, for me is the reason why he was not sacked this season and higher-ups didn't see that strategy as an end-solution or a quick fix for the positive. I don't really view Moyes the same way as I view Van Gaal. There is a pretty clear line of strategy in between, one man trying to continue the legacy and build slowly. One other man re-shaping the club from the ground up the way he wanted it to be shaped. I think it is shaping it for the worse and have though that from the beginning of Van Gaal's reign. But like I said, there to me is a clear and distinct line between SAF's end, Moyes short reign and Van Gaal's reign.
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