Judge Red
Don't Call Me Douglas
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How everyone else remembers these fleeting back and forth fan encounters.
How everyone else remembers these fleeting back and forth fan encounters.
And the double irony to that is if United had their owners, we would actually be the best example of what they are pretending to be, a proper well run club with massive funds and the revenue to back it up. They have to cheat because they lack the prestige and earning power United has to back up their $$.Then irony is it was only last year where all the pundits were lauding how well run City and Liverpool were as football clubs and that Utd need to learn from them to get back to the top in their recruitment and running of the club. Yeah, cheating is a pretty easy way to get to the top.
Maybe so. However if they get a significant points deduction and it costs them a CL place that's going to cost them nearly £70m quid. Not only that but their reputation is now also in tatters.Still can't see beyond any more than points deduction,whatever they have done it still feels their lawyers keep them in this league. Every chance they will get high court or even supreme court if required.
This is amazing
It's like Bob Mortimer on 'Would I Lie To You?'. You know his stories are so fantastical, so utterly outlandish that they can't possibly be true. But then you suddenly start doubting yourself and remember this is Bob we're dealing with here and anything is possible.
Oh my lord.
And in todays episode of "never ever has it happend" Bob takes the mantle.
That's an interesting FM2025 challenge. Taking City back to the Prem.Relegation out of the football league please and a transfer ban for 5 years, please. Time for the PL to take a stand.
If they get found guilty, I think that will pretty significant in itself. The integrity and reputation of the owners will be in tatters. Pep has said he would walk if he found out they were lying to him. So that would be Pep gone. To continue operating amongst other teams in the premier league when everyone knows you cheated would be difficult for the owners and senior management. I genuinely think they’d sell up and get out of there. Their whole project isn’t feasible without cheating.Still can't see beyond any more than points deduction,whatever they have done it still feels their lawyers keep them in this league. Every chance they will get high court or even supreme court if required.
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But people also (should) have morals. I don't see a big issue with the United ownership in that regard, but cheering for City means cheering for a despicable regime and ideology.I'm not quite sure why people have an issue with "gloryhunter" fans. United have millions of fans worldwide, largely because we were the biggest club around for a long time. People watch football to be entertained.
Kids don't really worry about that sort of thing and why should they. Do 99% of the population worry about worker conditions when they give amazon probably thousands a year. Do they care about the products they buy from Unilever that are made by a company responsible for mass death and destruction throughout its existence.But people also (should) have morals. I don't see a big issue with the United ownership in that regard, but cheering for City means cheering for a despicable regime and ideology.
I get that it's hard for original fans to leave their club behind after such a takeover, which is why I tend to agree that at least some of them were happier when City were shit, but becoming a fan of such a business should not happen.
I agree with most of your post, but this is the key for me - it doesn't affect your life which club you are a fan of (not much at least if you look at comparable successful clubs), so why willingly take the moral low ground here?Its easy to take the moral high ground when it doesn't impact your life.
I'll go to see them at EastleighRelegation out of the football league please and a transfer ban for 5 years, please. Time for the PL to take a stand.
Pep walking out would a massive loss for them. I think quite a few players will look to leave too. There's a possibility all of their accolades will be null and void in the most extreme scenario. That must be crushing and extremely frustrating for some of those players.If they get found guilty, I think that will pretty significant in itself. The integrity and reputation of the owners will be in tatters. Pep has said he would walk if he found out they were lying to him. So that would be Pep gone. To continue operating amongst other teams in the premier league when everyone knows you cheated would be difficult for the owners and senior management. I genuinely think they’d sell up and get out of there. Their whole project isn’t feasible without cheating.
I do feel bad for the fans that supported them before 2009. I might even buy them all a drink, who cares if there isn't much change from a £50 note, they deserve it.You kinda got to feel for them lot, specifically their authentic fans , they didn't sign up for this.
The way I see it - the only way they can get out of this one, is if they are every bit as corrupt as the P.L say they areHow serious are the charges?
Gloryhunter fans are those who support a team because they became successful, United had millions of fans worldwide long before the PL era and let's face it ,we were pretty shit in a lot of the time.I'm not quite sure why people have an issue with "gloryhunter" fans. United have millions of fans worldwide, largely because we were the biggest club around for a long time.
There's also always the bystander agreeing with them at the end of the story. Without fail. Without fecking fail, the agreeing bystander is always present.Ah yes the imaginary son. Just like the imaginary rag mates. I love how in these stories they always appear to be the 'winner'.
I do feel bad for the fans that supported them before 2009. I might even buy them all a drink, who cares if there isn't much change from a £50 note, they deserve it.
Their insecurity stems from them knowing they won the oil lottery which created their success, yet they still had to cheat to achieve it.Reading through the comments on Blue Moon it seems a lot of City fans genuinely believe there is a so called cartel out to get them and that the charges are nothing but a witch hunt led by Liverpool and Man Utd.
They turned a blind eye to it. I saw a City fan say, he would not want the owners out even if they were found guilty.I just find it hilarious that all these new City fans are shocked, shocked to hear of corruption committed by their corrupt owners.
Some of them believe its the Premier League thats corrupt rather thsn their owners because they wont allow them to spend as much money as the want.I just find it hilarious that all these new City fans are shocked, shocked to hear of corruption committed by their corrupt owners.
Absolutely. Said it earlier myself.Is it just me or are they starting to sound a whole lot like trump supporters these days?
I had absolutely no respect for any of them before but now I have even less somehow. Honestly, I kinda hope they just dissapear from football entirely and take their fans with them. I may despise the scousers but at least I have some begrudging respect for them, city can just feck off.
Not buying things from Amazon wouldn't impact your life much either but most peoples bar for "amount of inconvenience I am willing to suffer for moralistic reasons" is non-existent. I would wager that for a lot of fans they would far quicker give up Amazon than the football club they support. Some people take their football very seriously.I agree with most of your post, but this is the key for me - it doesn't affect your life which club you are a fan of (not much at least if you look at comparable successful clubs), so why willingly take the moral low ground here?
We did but the vast majority of our fans have never been to Manchester and would firmly fall into the gloryhunter category. I just find it a weird stick to beat people with. That a luck of birth means you are more of a fan that someone who lives abroad etc.Gloryhunter fans are those who support a team because they became successful, United had millions of fans worldwide long before the PL era and let's face it ,we were pretty shit in a lot of the time.
A quick thought for dealing with opposing fans. I had a Liverpool fan tell me I should admit some guilt. Of course in the Anglo-American justice system you are innocent until proven guilty. It is idiotic to tell somebody to admit guilt.
I responded with to him with City will have its day in court. He went quiet.
another response that I like as well:
I am confident City's good name will cleared in court.
My point being don't take any grief from opposing fans. Express confidence in public and ignore any bait they send your way. If you become disillusioned come on here and get some support from your fellow fan. We will ride out this storm together as a fanbase.
Yes of course, but my point was more about becoming fan of a club, not being one, to speculate why City hasn't grown a massive fanbase by being successful.I would wager that for a lot of fans they would far quicker give up Amazon than the football club they support. Some people take their football very seriously.
perfectly putThis is awesome.
The vast majority of our fans may not have been to Manchester but a lot of them were fans when we were crap, I don't class those as gloryhunters, the ones that latched on afterwards is s different matterNot buying things from Amazon wouldn't impact your life much either but most peoples bar for "amount of inconvenience I am willing to suffer for moralistic reasons" is non-existent. I would wager that for a lot of fans they would far quicker give up Amazon than the football club they support. Some people take their football very seriously.
We did but the vast majority of our fans have never been to Manchester and would firmly fall into the gloryhunter category. I just find it a weird stick to beat people with. That a luck of birth means you are more of a fan that someone who lives abroad etc.
Yes if fans flip flop between teams based on the form of a team that is a bit silly but any fan who is a fan through good and bad times is a good fan in my books. The past decade or so is a good barometer.
Come on. If you're ten years old and living in a small town in Finland, or on a farm in Switzerland, or in the suburbs of Brussels, or in downtown Kuala Lumpur and you care enough, according to the reasons that matter to your typical ten-year old, about the Premier League to pick a favorite team, do you really actually think it's reasonable to expect the kid to pick a middling team like Wolves or Crystal Palace rather than a hugely successful one that is full of star players you admire? Why would anyone do that? The only ones who do that (unless there's a family connection or something) arethe ones to whom it is important in itself not to choose the same thing as everyone else. There are very few such 10-year olds.The vast majority of our fans may not have been to Manchester but a lot of them were fans when we were crap, I don't class those as gloryhunters, the ones that latched on afterwards is s different matter