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Said it before, like Jones, he might be better to play as a DM. At least for this moment. I think he was played there for few minutes, and looked pretty good.
Jones wasn't even a good DM. He played a specific role there when needed but he's a CB first and foremost and so is Bailly. We need to get away from converting players to different positions in this mannerSaid it before, like Jones, he might be better to play as a DM. At least for this moment. I think he was played there for few minutes, and looked pretty good.
Bailly is still young. And many great players in the past were alternating in between positions, or young players became better at their newer positions.Jones wasn't even a good DM. He played a specific role there when needed but he's a CB first and foremost and so is Bailly. We need to get away from converting players to different positions in this manner
I hear what you're saying but Bailly isn't an academy player or young enough to be still looking to find his best position (like Fosu-Mensah) he's a fully fledged CB who will be turning 24 in exactly four days. The window for him being experimented as a DM has passed. With all the money the club has at its disposal United should be going for specialists in all positions. The whole switching roles of players that we saw under Fergie was a result of the constraints he (Fergie) he faced in purchasing players. When was the last time you saw Jones play in midfield?Bailly is still young. And many great players in the past were alternating in between positions, or young players became better at their newer positions.
Also, it's not like asking him of totally different role, i.e. gk, winger, or striker. DM is still within a periscope of defending.
As you say it was a specific role. Jones never really played as a DM, he played as a third centreback with a man marking job. That job required him to follow the player he’s marking whenever he’s in his own half. It’s not a DM role, he never had any responsibility in terms of intelligent positioning or expected to impact our play with the ball.Jones wasn't even a good DM. He played a specific role there when needed but he's a CB first and foremost and so is Bailly. We need to get away from converting players to different positions in this manner
Actually he was. He got forward plenty.As you say it was a specific role. Jones never really played as a DM, he played as a third centreback with a man marking job. That job required him to follow the player he’s marking whenever he’s in his own half. It’s not a DM role, he never had any responsibility in terms of intelligent positioning or expected to impact our play with the ball.
Isn’t that what every CB needs?What Bailly needs, is a world-class Rio Ferdinand type leader next to him full-time every game, week in week out
What attritubutes do you see? I’m curious, because I myself don’t see fullback qualities with him.Have said it all season, he’s a fullback for me, at least until he matures. Awful defensive awareness and reading of the game, weak aeriall, and shouldn’t be depended upon.
Mourinho’s historically loved a right-footed leftback (Zanetti, Gallas, Azpilicueta, Santon, Darmian and now Young at United) and Bailly has all of the attributes to excel there, without his kamikaze positioning being as costly. He should try him in both of fullback roles until the end of the season, because both require an upgrade.
Why this by far bullshit, he's nto even best defender, that's Smalling. Bailly is all over the place too often, weak in the air. He's got great potential and was injured a lot this year but he's certainly not our best defender. We should play Smalling and Bailly together as much as possible now and see how it goes but there's not too much between all of our CBs, apart Lindelof who is clearly a tier below.He's been a bit sloppy since his return but its partly understandable, and he's still by far the best of our CB options. He got caught out a couple of times yesterday but recovered and it didnt cost us. He's the only one you're confident is good enough to still be starting for us next season.
His ability is by far the best. That doesn't mean he always plays to that level, especially when hes been out injured a lot this season.Why this by far bullshit, he's nto even best defender, that's Smalling. Bailly is all over the place too often, weak in the air. He's got great potential and was injured a lot this year but he's certainly not our best defender. We should play Smalling and Bailly together as much as possible now and see how it goes but there's not too much between all of our CBs, apart Lindelof who is clearly a tier below.
His ability but which ability? he's got some great abilities like aggression, strenght, pace, ability on the ball but he lacks quite some in the air, positioning, concentration. That's very important for a defender and that's why his "ability" is definitely by far not the best, not even better than someone like Smalling who is overall better player NOW even if people like you don't like to admit itHis ability is by far the best. That doesn't mean he always plays to that level, especially when hes been out injured a lot this season.
Isn’t that what every CB needs?
Too right!As you say it was a specific role. Jones never really played as a DM, he played as a third centreback with a man marking job. That job required him to follow the player he’s marking whenever he’s in his own half. It’s not a DM role, he never had any responsibility in terms of intelligent positioning or expected to impact our play with the ball.
I don't agree. I think every CB in the world would be better with a world class CB next to him. Its a no brainer, who wouldn't prefer two worldclass CB instead of one? Its not like a star can't do the dirty work. Look at Ramos, even when he had bad boy Pepe as partner he would do really dirty work. But to get mot out of a certain CB, the other needs to have special qualitities, like Bailly needs someone who can dominate in the air.No. World-class, Rio-type CB's don't need that. In fact, they quite often need a nutter like Bailly to do the dirty work.
Crazy isn’t it? His choas costs United goals regularly, yet he’s deemed the saviour and only defender worth keeping.He's massively overrated by so many on here.
That's a black player stereotype. Bailly is our best ball playing CB and the most technically astute one as well, you can tell he was groomed in Spain in his youth. He simply needs more polishing. I believe this is only his third season as a first team player in his career thus far.Crazy isn’t it? His choas costs United goals regularly, yet he’s deemed the saviour and only defender worth keeping.
In reality, hes singularly dependent on physicality to disguise his lack of football intellect, and it’s being exposed on a weekly basis now.
Absolute bollocks, he’s a top top class footballer but right now still struggles with just being a center half and doing his job in certain high stakes games.In reality, hes singularly dependent on physicality to disguise his lack of football intellect, and it’s being exposed on a weekly basis now.
More of a strong powerful player stereotypeThat's a black player stereotype..
It really is a black player stereotype even in cases where those attributes don't apply, there's no point playing it down it i've heard it all my lifeMore of a strong powerful player stereotype
He never mentioned his race, how is that relevant? Jones has been accused of such things as well, and he's white. Chris Smalling too, a mixed race man.That's a black player stereotype. Bailly is our best ball playing CB and the most technically astute one as well, you can tell he was groomed in Spain in his youth. He simply needs more polishing. I believe this is only his third season as a first team player in his career thus far.
Its a black player stereotype and it doesn't even apply to Bailly as he doesn't exclusively lean on his physicality. Do you believe that? Do you also believe Bailly lacks football intellect? You can't tell me you're not aware of this stereotype in sports in general. When it comes to Jones he's also been praised as a CB supposedly great with the ball at his feet and moving the ball forward. Jones has been given every kind of praise under the sun when he was considered the next coming of Duncan Edwards. That's a poor example.He never mentioned his race, how is that relevant? Jones has been accused of such things as well, and he's white. Chris Smalling too, a mixed race man.
Heard it all your life? Your parents must have had random baby chat!It really is a black player stereotype even in cases where those attributes don't apply, there's no point playing it down it i've heard it all my life
Absolute bollocks, he’s a top top class footballer but right now still struggles with just being a center half and doing his job in certain high stakes games.
Wil be a United legend in a few years, no doubt.
I have considered him the best CB in Manchester United, and I think I still do. He was really poor against Sevilla and maybe in a few more matches. Anybody can have some poor matches, especially after a long injury, but I think those matches have exposed his weaknesses, which at least I hadn't seen before. Especially Sevilla were very good at taking advantage of those weaknesses.One or 2 poor games won't change the fact that he's our best CB with the most potential for the future.
No I don't believe he has a low IQ, but he's rash and can make poor decisions because he is young. Again the the original poster didn't even mention race nor is there any indication or implication. It all comes down to you asserting this to defend one of your favourite players. At least be honest and rational when you try to, accusing people of racism when there is none to be seen is low.Its a black player stereotype and it doesn't even apply to Bailly as he doesn't exclusively lean on his physicality. Do you believe that? Do you also believe Bailly lacks football intellect? You can't tell me you're not aware of this stereotype in sports in general. When it comes to Jones he's also been praised as a CB supposedly great with the ball at his feet and moving the ball forward. Jones has been given every kind of praise under the sun when he was considered the next coming of Duncan Edwards. That's a poor example.
I didn't accuse him of racism but is there anything wrong with me pointing out something the way I see it? If the poster really believes Bailly exclusively depends on his physical attributes to 'cover up' for his 'lack' of football intellect then he needs his eyes examined. He should have at least offered more context to back his opinion and not just stop after stating a well known stereotype. Bailly doesn't have to be one of my favorite players for me to point this out. He's actually not one of the players I often single out for praise.No I don't believe he has a low IQ, but he's rash and can make poor decisions because he is young. Again the the original poster didn't even mention race nor is there any indication or implication. It all comes down to you asserting this to defend one of your favourite players. At least be honest and rational when you try to, accusing people of racism when there is none to be seen is low.